That's what I was wondering about - the money - it seems like a heck of a lot of cash... Don K
________________________________ From: Paul Hutchings <[email protected]> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: RE: moving to virtual Initial thoughts, in no particular order: 3 VM hosts for 8 servers seems excessive You almost certainly won't need 8 cores. RAM and disk IO tend to be bottlenecks before CPU does. Why a SAN and not DAS? If you really need shared storage consider the VMware VSA or HP P4000 VSA. What are you doing for backups? That is one hell of a whack of money for them to do stuff for you that, respectfully, if you buy the kit and take your time I'm sure you could do yourself and come out the other side having learned a heck of a lot. Personally, and I'm only going off this single email I don't know the history, but I would take a step back and perhaps take smaller steps here before throwing that much money at it. ________________________________ From: David Mazzaccaro [[email protected]] Sent: 16 July 2012 8:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhaveacouple ofquestions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishouldgo with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3hostsfor myupcomingVMware environment. The price is about double. AndI’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layoutthat has been quoted isas follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SANrunning VMware Essentials Plus Kit. ThehostserversI am looking at areeither: HPDL360 G82xIntel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W)$5356 each HPDL360 G82xIntel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W)$10,061 each I currentlyhave8physical servers(Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0)thatwe will be P2V’d. After I P2Vthe servers, the plan is to begincreating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs andmigratingeach server’s role(2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp6.5). I wantenoughpower to be able to run my existing8servers in a virtual environmentandmigratethemto AD2008/E2010/XenAppaswell as leave some room for testingandgrowth. 2of thevendors said 6 core is fine,another vendoris quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the“services”part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp20kfor VMware) $38,000(not itemized) $28,000($11kfor AD/Ex,$6k XenApp, $11kfor VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k iseither tooaggressiveor simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me(3)singleprocessorservers, so I have to go back to them and tell them I want dual proc. 3) For the SAN, I have 2 options: PS4100XV (12 600GB 15k SAS) $23,000 NetApp FAS2240(12 600GB 10k SAS) $22,000 I have 2 vendors pushing the PS4100XV, and the other pushingthe NetApp. >From what I have been told, I’llgetbetter IOPS w/ the 15k drives in the >Equalogic. And fuller feature set. Any one w/ experiences w/eitherof these models want to add their $.02? This is a completely new world for me, so any help is appreciated! . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ________________________________ MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
