Ah. This accounts for why I think of Animal (from the Muppets) when I encounter so many of your posts...
On Feb 7, 2008 5:54 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I'll one up you, Z. My undergrad is in music (Percussion). > > > > > > Shook > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:51 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree? > > > > > > > > Good view of it. > > > > Looking at Masters in IT/Information Science also, but borrowing like 40-60K > at 8% just to get through the course, and taking Graduate Placement Exams ( > MCAT? MCAP) doesn't thrill me either. I got enough real-world experience, to > breeze through possibly ¼ to ½ the cirrcumlum for the MSIT degree ( CISSP at > most accredited colleges will count for about 12-15 credits towards the > Masters, which helps get the degree quicker) > > > > True: Running the certification rat-race does get boring after a while, but > in IT its basically the Icing on the cake in my eyes, doing the jobs, > getting the experience is really what it comes down to. And hell my > undergrad was in Mechnical Engineering, wish they had the IT Degrees back in > my day in college, all they had was CIS ( Coding, which I loathe) > > > > Z > > > > > Edward E. Ziots > > Netwok Engineer > > Lifespan Organization > > MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA > > Phone: 401-639-3505 > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:35 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree? > > > > > > I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician. The > position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She was > commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in the > certification process has helped her out in the field. The things you come > across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books. That's not to say > that certification is useless, but we all know that certs alone aren't worth > much. > > > > I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+, > Net+, and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go for > more certs—I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of college as > a junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me is a Master's; > I'd rather spend my time and energy on that than certs. Certs have a limited > shelf life, but degrees are forever. > > > > After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a few > years. > > > > > > John Hornbuckle > > MIS Department > > Taylor County School District > > 318 North Clark Street > > Perry, FL 32347 > > > > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree? > > > > > > I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar > cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but > probably going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and it > really peaks my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't pigeonhole > me into supporting one OS over another or one technology over another. > > > > But honestly, experience is the best teacher. How many times I have sat in a > class, and you knew the professor didn't have much real-world experience, > and basically was teaching you the theory of how things are supposed to go, > which we both know doesn't always work out to what it really does, when you > get down to it. > > > > Z > > > > > Edward E. Ziots > > Netwok Engineer > > Lifespan Organization > > MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA > > Phone: 401-639-3505 > > -----Original Message----- > From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:41 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Certs + Experience + which degree? > > > > > > > The time to study + the time to commit to hands on related work that may > intefere with studying for a masters/phd.. > > > I've thought about pursuing one or the other but the current work load just > allow time. Of course there's also part-time and/or online schooling as an > option. I'd say it could depend on just how much you're looking to get out > of the classes and whether you function better in a classroom or working > from home. Having the 2000/2003 MS certs I'm now having to consider tackling > the 2008 certs or make the jump to another industry platform like Cisco. > Talk about wanting to pull the covers back over my head! > > > At this stage in my life I've come to the conclusion that I won't become > rich or wealthy working in this field unless I stumble across a nice patent. > I believe in the "glass ceiling" and that you can max out if you're not > constantly working to stay educated in some capacity. My fear is the same I > had when I was in college and that was that my real world experiences were > educating me a lot better than the classroom subject matter. So I figure to > work towards building some type of residual income, start another venture, > build, start etc. At that point I'd be paying for classes or subject matter > that's gonna help to keep the cycle going. If I make it back to school it'll > be because I'd have the time and flexibility. (nothing like dreaming) > > > > > > > > On 2/6/08, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It depends on where you see yourself in 5 to 10 years. Personally, I'd go > for the MBA if I had the time, even though I'd never use it. > > > > > > From: Phil Guevara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:45 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: OT: Certs + Experience + which degree? > > > > > > > I was wondering what everyone's opinion is on this. > > > > > > Let's say you have your MCSE cert or other industry standard cert and over 5 > years solid experience, but no degree. > > > > > > Which degree would be best to compliment this? > > > > > > CIS degree, Computer Science Degree, Business Degree, other? > > > > > > I noticed the CS program deals more with programming and not really the > stuff a systems administrator would do. A CIS degree might be aligned with > it but wouldn't that just be redundant to the MCSE and experience? Would a > Business degree show you as a well rounded person? > > > Best Regards, > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
