Tim makes a valid point, though, and it is this...

You may need to think about putting the "IMO" or "IMHO" or even "from my
testing" on things.  It'll go a long way to helping us understand that
you're not making blanket statements.  I know I need to do better about
that, too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day - TMP plugin?

Maybe I got the context of your silly comment mixed up.  My
apologizes. I certainly don't want to put anything in your mouth.

I said *IE7* sucks.  I have enjoyed previous versions of IE.

It has become increasingly apparent that many people aren't aware of
the memory issues and resulting oddities of IE7.  I thought as admins
we strive for up-time and deferral of data/work loss.  Just because
you haven't encountered an issue, doesn't mean that you wont, or that
your users don't.  Information is good, right?

I'm offering my personal experiences with a product that I have
performed tests with.  I don't understand why people like you take it
personally like I'm trying to tell you what to do.  I'm not.

I never said it sucks for you or anyone else.  But ultimately, as
product robustness goes, IE7 sucks - comparatively speaking (is that
better for you?)



On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> For the record I never called your tab use silly. Nice job of putting
words in my mouth though. And your constant use of the phrase "IE sucks" is
not accurate. It may suck in your situation, but that doesn't mean it sucks
for everyone. Some of us have used it for many years with no issues what so
ever.
> YMMV
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:53 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day - TMP plugin?
>
> I haven't told anyone to do anything. I'm only highlighting issues
> that people are neglecting or nay-saying.
>
> To call my use/reasons silly, is silly in itself.  You should gauge
> and recommend products based on functionality and robustness. I
> offered my example use as a reference to robustness.  If you want to
> ignore that kind of data, then fine.  And when you finally reach a
> point where IE7 stops cooperating - you might recall as to why.
>
> I would otherwise not engage in a browser-war discussion.
>
> OHHHH....   something I forgot!  Hahaha... This truly exemplifies why
> IE7 sucks:  Its integration into the OS.  When you reach a memory
> saturation point with IE7, explorer.exe-based functions will start to
> stop working.  i.e. right click functionality in most any other
> running app will stop working.  Some apps will fail to open documents
> based on file-type associations.  There are a few other GUI oddities
> that *will* occur as well, and will continue to occur until you reduce
> the amount of memory that IE7 is using.
>
> IE6 with Maxthon tabs never does not have that issue.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> But the fact is that you are an exception, not the rule. Very few people
will ever have a legitimate need to have 50-100 tabs open at one time. I do
a lot of online research also, but I rarely have a need to go about 10 tabs.
It happens but not often. I go to all types of sites and have never once
been exploited using IE. I'm not saying that FF isn't a good product, it is.
I would never tell those who use it to change, but to tell someone to dump
IE for FF because of the reasons you give would be bordering on silly.
>
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