Reminds me of my first computer job, working for a retail whitebox builder
who also did Packaged Hell warranty support.

He was an ex-felon with an ankle-bracelet who tried to work a deal where I'd
update a customer's website for him (a pool dealership) so he could get a
free pool.  Keep in mind he was the "manager" not the "owner" because he was
legally barred from ever owning a business again, and had everything in his
wife's name, including the million dollars worth of business debt.

-- Durf

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? <grin>
>
> jlc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> Currently I am classified as "Exempt". Description of "Exempt" as
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> -       Pay based on 2 weeks
> -       1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> -       2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers
> and any extra maint for 8 hours
> -       On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> -       If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am
> forced to use my PTO (vacation)
> -       FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr.
> note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> -       89 hours worked during the regular days
> -       5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> -       2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
> emergency)
> -       On call
> o       My paycheck shows:
>        78 hours Regular Pay
>        16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>        2 hours deducted for PTO
>        No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not
> reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the
> County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a
> boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that "No one
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My
> boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss,
> but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The
> biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks
> with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
> rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
> weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
> time and half.
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
>
> For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
> they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
> on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.
>
> As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
> additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
> normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
> of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
> Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
> when a message comes in.
>
> At my last day job it was #1.
>
> Dave
>
> From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: After-hours work
>
> Hey all,
>
> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
> works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
> guy, please indicate.
>
> ----
> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
> are you compensated?
>
> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
> 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
> 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
> 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
> take a day off later in the week.
>
> Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)
>
> -- Durf
>
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