MI..socialist? News to me and I've lived here all my life. I'm also a bit right of center. But I'll agree it's more liberal-oriented than other states. I guess we can thank the UAW/Detroit for that (altho both have gone downhill since the 60's when the Big 3 were an important part of the US economy.
Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as "socialism", is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree > or hunt me down.. > > 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from > a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in > the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. > > I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our > problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it > comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and > will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. > > > > I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple > fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no > matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for > me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes > and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in > illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social > security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The > welfare system kicked into high gear.....I did not work my butt off 60 > to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for > a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. > > If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your > wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. > The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and > ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled > to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% > healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is > universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to > redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care > drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social > Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... > > > > Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where > we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and > the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then > demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, > people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, > "Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my > actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything." > > > > Remember this. 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