You notice the resounding theme that all of this stuff was released in a
period where MS was just pumping out half baked crap.
Vista
Office 2007
Some server products that will go unnamed.

Most of it has been taken care of in subsequent service packs and for the
most part are solid now. But something was going on in that period where MS
lost focus on the products and was all about shoving stuff out the door as
fast as possible. I think half baked is a good term.
I do however think that MS has learned a serious lesson here and I suspect
we will see the next versions of these products substantially improved upon
even if the reality (IMO) is they will all be .5 releases regardless of what
you call them.
I'm looking forward to the next versions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Gone way OT: Windows 7 On TechNet Now

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote:
> On a podcast I heard a challenge for people complaining about the
> changes, have a regular user use Office 2007 for 4-6 weeks.

  The thing I hate most about the Office 2007 discussion is some
people inevitable come back with "you'll get used to it in a few
weeks".  I know that.  People can learn and/or get used to darn near
anything.  You can get used to daily beatings.  Doesn't mean it's
worth the pain.

  It's not just the retraining for users.  We've got Office 2000,
2002, and 2003 deployed here.  We can use the same documentation,
training, procedures, simulations, and support questions for all of
them.  Likewise with XP and 2000 when we had both, because XP could be
told to look just like Windows 2000 during the transition.  Not so for
Office 2007.  So it's either any all-at-once-and-nothing-first
migration, or dealing with the hassles of two concurrent UIs.

  I'm aware there is a third-party product that will add the old-style
menus back into Office 2007.  So, not only am I supposed to spend
$400/seat upgrading an *office suite*, I'm now supposed to spend
*extra money* just go get it to *look the way it does now*.  Where
exactly is the ROI on this?

> It's not 'throwing out 25 years of working UI conventions' ....

  Yes, it is.  If it was just "applying the knowledge learned" they
could have kept the pull-down menu system that *literally practically
every other program on Earth uses*, but simply reorganized them into a
more useful layout.  I've long maintained that MS Office's pull-down
menu layout is poor.  One of my favorite word processors of old,
GeoWrite, had a much better UI layout, but used the same pull-down
menus everything else does.

  And to really add insult to injury, once you click the appropriate
icon in the ribbon, the dialog box you get as a result is not
uncommonly the same damn poorly-laid-out, poorly-documented, confusing
dialog box you had in Office 2003.

  I'm not impressed.

  -- Ben

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