Unfortunately some companies require a cert or degree to even apply for certain positions. It really doesn't matter if your degree is even in that particular field (My Director has a Bachelors in English - go figure!) as long as you have a degree you can interview, even if you are clueless.
John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jeremy Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question I was in consulting for ~6.5 year, both direct and subcontracting to other consulting firms, and would argue the opposite actually. I've never had any Microsoft certs and don't have a college degree. Out of hundreds of engagements I only once had a customer ask about this. That turned out to be the project from hell as well. :) Additionally, I do a fair bit of hiring right now and honestly I could care less if someone is certified or has a degree. All I care about is whether or not candidates know what they are doing. Certs have never told me this and I don't really see how they ever could... That being said this is surely an interesting thread so far. Thanks, Jeremy Phillips From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Bah. You should think of certs and degrees merely as ways to get you entry. I work with lots of banks and educational institutions; and subcontract to other consulting firms. Certs and degrees are the price of entry. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Best reason I've heard yet for not getting a degree. :-P From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However without a degree its almost impossible to land a managment position Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ From: "Ziots, Edward" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:41:52 -0500 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Concurr, Both great points, that is why I said why do people continue to keep doing it. The Cert is just a piece of paper, experience is what I am looking for, no certificate can teach that or even measure it.. Only reason I can see is basically due to Gold/Platinum Partner requirements to have so many certified people on staff to maintain status. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ________________________________ From: Don Ely [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
