There's no app level integration between HyperV and MS apps that I've seen.  
They do have all the perf counters exposed through Windows which makes it easy 
to do stuff with their data. VSS provider is also nice since you can just use 
your existing file system backup tool and get consistent VHD backups as opposed 
to paying for something else.

I don't think there's anything MS specific in Ken's scenarios of dynamic 
allocation. Amazon actually rolled this out very recently with their 
virtualization platform.

All that said I run VMWare and have zero plans to change.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backing up VMWare ESX servers -- What do you use?

Hi there,

I obviously can't speak for Microsoft. I don't think that Hyper-V itself will 
necessarily be aware of the what is happening in each VM - it can just expose 
performance data.

Instead, what we see now is System Center Operations Manager (via PRO 
management packs) picking up that performance data, and then hooking into 
System Center Virtual Machine Manager to manage the guests (e.g. move them to 
other hosts if you are constrained by CPU or memory).

I imagine that this level so sophistication will only grow - maybe it can 
provision new VMs on the fly for an NLB cluster, or somehow switch backend SAN 
storage for you to give you access to higher IOPS if you are disk I/O 
constrained etc. All of this would require a fair level of sophistication and 
interop with other components though.

I'm not sure that Hyper-V will become a para-virtualisation product. 
Microsoft's got a bunch of virtualisation technologies now (App-V, Hyper-V 
etc). They probably need to do some work developing those, and then also seeing 
where market demand takes us.

Cheers
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 10:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backing up VMWare ESX servers -- What do you use?

(high-jacking thread)

Ken,
Are you using Hyper-V in production b\c of integration like this?  While 
Hyper-V doesn't have the feature of vSphere 4 or Xen, I do think Microsoft's 
value prop in the hypervisor space will be at the application layer, i.e., 
Hyper-V will know that SQL is running and it will be able to do neat SQL stuff 
on that VM.  Some people are calling MS' flavor of para-virtualization but I'd 
like to hear from those MVPs\people who are closer to MS than myself on what 
the Hyper-V roadmap is past the R2 release next year...

TIA,

Shook
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backing up VMWare ESX servers -- What do you use?

Windows Backup, and Hyper-V

(Windows Backup just utilises the various VSS writers under the covers)

Cheers
Ken

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