That's the best description of my predecessor in my current position. At my previous netadmin job I worked for a high school and I was it for ~600 computers and ~1600 users, of which at any one time there were about 250 computers in use. In order to maintain uptime and availability, I had to think one to many. Guess what kind of person my replacement for the high school was? Yes, 1:1 desktop guy. He lasted for nearly a year, and brought the network to a halt many times.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: > +1!! The mindset is COMPLETELY different. > > > > Desktop Support: Make it work! Reg hack, add-in, whatever, just make it > run. > > Systems Engineer: Make everything consistent so it **ALL** works with a > minimum of exceptions. Automate and have central management on everything > possible. > > > > In my experience the biggest difference is “thinking in scale”. Typical > desktop guys think 1:1 and don’t take into consideration the ability to > scale out a specific change or fix. SE’s think on one-to-many. > > > > In fact as two of my personal biz clients I replaced the previous tech’s > who were basically “desktop types”, and it was quite apparent when looking > at the AD configuration… > > *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION > (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 > > > > > > > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:55 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Apple vs Microsoft? > > > > A bench tech does not a network guru make. > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Jeff Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > I used to work for a consulting firm that actually had both MS and Apple > techs. The mac techs were so excited about the I-Server and of course > convinced that it would lead the the short demise of all windows servers. > > > > Their first install started at 4 pm on a Friday, they were replacing a SBS > with this new MAC. It NEVER crossed their minds that they might need an MS > tech to help at all with this migration. > > > > They called me at 5 p.m. on Saturday. NOTHING worked on either server. > > > > These were 2 FULLY certified MAC specialists who were approved to do > warrantee work for most everything Apple. > > > > The "manual" for the xserve looked like it had been written by a sales > person. It looks to me like no one in that whole org knows JACK about > networking. > > > > They had not even considered looking at the firewall portion..... well > anyway, maybe the guys I worked with were the biggest part of that problem, > but I don't think so. I think both of them were better than average for > MAC techs, but they were lost on server side, and the EASY interface didn't > do the job for them. > > > > It does have some COOL features. You can pull up any mac's current session > and watch them work without them knowing it... Wow. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sure you are. > > Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > :-) > > > > -Jonathan > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Stick an Apple logon on a lump of Steve Jobs' vomit and Mac users would > claim it tasted like pumpkin pie, and looked much cooler than Microsoft puke > > This is from someone who is sick of hearing a colleague Apple fan-boy > bigging up their iPhone by showing us how "useful" it is, from the > lightsabre noises it can make to the fact that there is an app for > everything (including the cure for AIDS) > > Not wanting to reignite the old MS v Apple debate or anything :-) > > 2009/7/15 David Lum <[email protected]> > > Your boss might want to consider how hard it may or may not be to find > someone to handle the XSERVE thing as well, the talent pool will be smaller > and (I would expect) the salaries to be higher. I know of some Mac users > that love their Macs unless they need help with it, because so many folks > are PC types.. > > > > Also "I have been told that 150 users can be better managed on two XSERVE's > than on a Windows Active directory network" > > Have them define “manage”. I would expect it manages Mac’s better J. > > *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION > (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 > > P.S. I have to LOL Za, I have a Optiplex 745 with 64-bit XP running VMWare > Workstation and it is hosting my dev environment: SQL server, web server, > misc. development servers (W2K8, Moss2K7, SCCM, etc) and a VM of Win XP. Of > course, I can only power up about 4 VM’s at a time, but… > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vue, Za [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:19 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Apple vs Microsoft? > > > > Where does the boss get the idea that a Mac environment will be a better > long term move? > > > > I still manage one Xserve. Attached to it is an Xraid with 16 hard drives. > Used exclusively for data storage. One 400 GB hard drive failed in last 3 > years. Controller B was also replaced on the X-Raid. The server is attached > to a Win08 AD. Overall the system works well but I am just not a proponent > of Mac OS. AD integration has greatly improved with the latest OS. > > > > A Dell Optiplex running Windows 2008 for under $1000 can handle 150 users > but maybe your company has money to spend. Get two Optiplex'es and cluster > them and attach a disk array. The cheapest single Xserve is currently > $2999.00 and comes only with a 7200 160gig HD. Customize the system to your > requirements and you are looking at $6000-$7000 per server. Just to remote > into the server requires a $300 extra software. Crazy man.. I torrent the > damn thing instead. :) > > > > I have a Dell Optiplex 745, 3.0 Ghz, 6/GB RAM, 2x250 GB HD set up as a > 64/bit Win08 DC and print server for 23 networked printers. I have 160 users > & 400+ students in the department. The darn thing is as quiet as my laptop. > > > > > > -Z.V. > > ________________________________________ > > From: Shawn [[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:01 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Apple vs Microsoft? > > > > Does anyone here have any experience, good or bad, regarding the Apple > XSERVE being utilized to host email, data storage, open directory, etc as an > equivalent replacement for Microsoft Server? We are currently running SBS > 2003 and have 40 users, but will soon be upping that number to 150. My boss > insists that moving everything over to a Mac environment will be a better > long term move, but I am a bit hesitant without having some outside data to > back that up. > > > > I have been told that 150 users can be better managed on two XSERVE's than > on a Windows Active directory network, yet I have had a rough time finding > any direct comparisons. > > > > If any of you have experience running either a mixed environment with both > OS X Server and Windows Server or just a pure OS X environment w/ Mac > clients as well, I would be interested to hear what your take on this is. > > > > I would also be very interested to here from anyone that has done a > migration from Active directory to Open directory, along with any challenges > on the user end. What challenges did you face? Are there any specifics that > you can offer regarding stability, administration, etc? > > > > Thanks in advance for any input you can provide. > > > > Shawn > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > information. 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