It has improved since version 12.0 but it is still not good enough imo.  The 
main issue I have had is bugs with backing up Exchange 2007 servers.

The fixes in the earlier versions were simply to not use the features!  Even in 
recent versions there are issues.  This is the latest one to bite me:- 
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/321184.htm

As you can see the solution is to apply a hotfix and then update the agents as 
well.  The updates patched ok on the BE server but pushing the remote Agents 
failed.  So I found a forum post to resolve that.  
http://www.symantec.com/connect/forums/backup-exec-125-remote-agent-failures

Having to run msi cleanup and then reboot the server just screams amateur to 
me.  I'm not saying that things don't go wrong but I've run out of tolerance 
with Symantec products.  I won't be able to reboot this server before the 
backups are scheduled tonight so they will be missed.  It's a production 
Exchange server.

Then of course there is nothing to say that will resolve the issue.  There will 
be another hoop to jump through no doubt.

The best example I can give of how bad Symantec is:- On the very rare occasions 
that I've called Microsoft support for an issue with a server one of their 
first questions has been "Is Symantec AV installed on this server?"

Maybe I've been in the industry too long, but these days I have less tolerance 
for things that don't "just work".  The companies I am employed by spend big 
money on software only to have to agree to Eula's that really say "if this 
doesn't work properly, tough shit".

It's not good enough.  Instead of making things properly everything is rushed 
out the door so they can be first to market.  The whole "we'll patch it later 
attitude" is so common now.  It is even accepted by many people.  Hell, 
sometimes you can buy a tv and it has a fault rectified by a firmware update.  
A TV!

*takes a breath.





-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Stovall [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Symantec Rant

Errrmmm, do you mind if I ask specifically about your troubles with
BE12.5?  I've been very seriously considering moving to it, though I
haven't installed the 60 day demo yet.  I kinda figgered it would
pretty much work in my fairly simple environment.  It'd be nice to
know the major gotchas.

Thanks,
RS

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, James Hill<[email protected]> wrote:
> Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive some
> understanding from other Symantec vicitims.
>
>
>
> Do they make ANYTHING these days that "just works".  After being bent over
> with their hopeless AV implementation on Server 2008 (Let's break shares on
> the server.  No servers need shares they must of thought)... actually their
> hopeless AV solution in general.  I recall re-installing version 10 on about
> 24 site servers as that was their solution to an issue.
>
>
>
> But don't worry the PR fools said.  Version 11 will fix everything.  Yeh, it
> fixed everything alright.  Fixed it so it may never work again.
>
>
>
> Now I'm having fun with Backup exec 12.5 and it's many "features".
>
>
>
> When renewal comes up I will gladly get rid of them.  They *&$^ everything
> they touch these days.
>
>
>
> /end rant
>
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>
>
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>

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