Iwtbot,i  (It was the best of times, i). As long as the phrase is memorable, 
the user should be able to type the password in (and after a few days should be 
quick).

Something such as the above is not going to be brute-forced in any meaningful 
way.

Cheers
Ken

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From: Ben Schorr [[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2009 6:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Password change rules - never?

But a 7-character passphrase isn’t very secure by itself.  I’d much rather have 
something longer.  Even something like:

One 2 Three 4 Five

That’s pretty decent.  Mixed case, with spaces and numbers.  Easy to remember 
and 19 characters long. Not likely to end up on a Post-It.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
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From: Jeff Brown [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Password change rules - never?

first letter only of a 7 word phrase?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Richard Stovall 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hilarious.  Though Caesare may have pushed Shook out of the tree.
It's been a while since he showed up.

On a topical note, I completely agree.  I encourage people to use
long, grammatical passphrases whenever possible.  In truth, however,
they tend to only do it for things they don't have to type very often
such as WPA keys, etc.  For everyday use they always revert to
something short unless there is a policy in place that forces them to
do otherwise.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Ben Scott 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM, David Lum 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Thoughts, comments? Oh and do read the comments.
>
>  I've sometimes wondered if we wouldn't be better off enforcing (1) a
> very long minimum password length and (2) complexity checking that
> only filters stupid sequences.  Thus, encouraging users to use
> non-trivial passphrases rather than passwords.
>
>        Shook and Caesare sitting in a tree
>
> is going to be both hard to guess and easy to remember, while
>
>        S5p$3xQ!
>
> is only hard to guess, and thus much more likely to be on a Post-It note.
>
> -- Ben






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