This is very helpful.  Do you have any links or references to quality
vendors that offer the magical "fairly economical solutions?"

Thanks a bunch,
RS

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Dennis Hoefer <[email protected]> wrote:
> We've been running point-to-point links for 9 years, upgrading
> technologies as the market evolves.  Currently have 90+ radios servicing
> about 40 facilities in 23 towns, links range from 500 feet to 15 miles
> and carry all data and VOIP traffic, so yes, we have some experience,
> mostly positive.  Our most distant location hops through 6 links before
> it reaches our data center and gets there with 5 - 6 ms delay.
> Everything currently is unlicensed radio frequencies, no optical links.
> We only have a couple links where we're trying to push near 100 megabit
> of actual throughput (averages closer to 70 meg), that for supporting
> off location backups and redundancy for our main data center (30 mile
> separation), the balance we try to achieve a 20 - 30 meg TCP throughput
> which is adequate for our small, remote office needs and very cost
> effective compared to attaining 100 meg links.  We self install and self
> maintain all of it and wouldn't trade any of them for VPN's (we have
> several of those also) as we prefer being in control of our network and
> taking the middle man out whenever possible. We're dealing with very
> rural locations with limited options for quality, affordable data
> connectivity, which is what led us to investigate fixed p-t-p in the
> first place.
>
> What you're looking at is very feasible, provided you have roof access
> and ability to run cable to the radios.  Be careful with vendor and
> manufacturer claims of throughput, most show raw, theoretical numbers
> and don't account for the hit you take on overhead and management of the
> signal (figure 50% minimum), sounds like you will however have benefit
> of short distance which makes for an easy link.  This has been a very
> fluid technology the past few years and the competition is helping price
> points, but you should still be prepared to pay some significant dollars
> to achieve 100 meg+ of true throughput in a radio that is robust, self
> healing and secure.  Also a lot of junk out there so be sure and get
> customer references to back up vendor claims.  Conversely, if you can
> get by with less throughput, there are a number of fairly economical
> solutions available. If you're in an area that may already be congested
> with competing equipment, might be a good idea to hire someone to do a
> quick site survey with a spectrum analyzer.  That's typically less of a
> problem on very short links and the better quality (read more expensive)
> equipment can monitor spectrum and self adjust as needed.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Short PtP LoS fixed wireless (was: Connecting two offices...)
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM, John Aldrich
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Well, if nothing else, do you have LOS between the two buildings? If
>> so, maybe a point-to-point wireless circuit would work.
>
>  I'm actually somewhat interested in this.  Do people here have any
> experience, positive or negative, with short-haul point-to-point
> line-of-sight fixed wireless?  (Wireless could mean radio or optical.)
>
>  The common scenario would be: Two buildings across the street from
> each other.  Not feasible to run a hard line.  But you can get a clear
> line-of-sight from the roofs.
>
>  I wouldn't want to run my LAN over a common 802.11 link -- there are
> problems with throughput (especially when under heavy load),
> reliability, and security.  (So a Pringles can is not an option,
> sorry.)
>
>  But I'm assuming by taking advantage of this specific scenario,
> something better would be possible.  Proprietary gear is acceptable,
> since if you're just linking two points, you don't have to worry about
> interoperability.  Ideally, I'd like something achieving at least 100
> megabit switched LAN speeds, with solid encryption ("VPN class", if you
> will).
>
> -- Ben
>
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