Yep, that's the rules!
Murray -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Well downloading movies/music != streaming a public radio broadcast. So no non-business related activity allowed during work hours, period? -sc -----Original Message----- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yes. If it isn't business related, there's no reason for it to occurr. We have an excellent vacation program along with an extremely liberal paid personal time off policy. If they need to download movies or music, stay home and do it there. Murray -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I understand not flogging dead equine, but as a matter of interest, do you know what your line current usage is? Would you be philosophically opposed to creating a lower priority queue for such things? -sc -----Original Message----- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS!!!!! Murray -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -----Original Message----- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our AT&T lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -----Original Message----- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -----Original Message----- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -----Original Message----- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Cayze" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS > The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your > electricity? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze <[email protected]> > wrote: >> You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. > > FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that > streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject > to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally > written up, but it's never gone beyond that. > > We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but > filtering is imperfect. > >> If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's >> fault, not the person streaming a radio station. > > They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not > for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. > > I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a > question of resources. 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