It appears to be at the top for "Proactive" (rather than simply "Reactive") - wow!
Alex Eckelberry <[email protected]> wrote on 08/09/2010 11:53:21 AM: > Fwiw, VIPRE just made #1 in proactive detection in the latest > VirusBulletin test: > > http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml > > [image removed] > > > > Alex > > > > From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:57 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > You?re right. The best approach is to make a decision based on what > you want to be true, and then stick to it no matter what, > disregarding any information that might be troubling. > Thanks for the enlightenment -) > > Actually, Alex sent me some data that shows detection results for > over 40 products including VIPRE, and while VIPRE wasn?t always at > the top of the list for any given date or type of threat, it often > was and made a very good showing overall. > Of course, anyone may interpret that data as they wish, but I was > satisfied by what it showed. > > Ralph > > From: andy [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:59 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > all data is used to indicate what you want it to show. > > > At 09:52 PM 7/29/2010, Ralph Smith wrote: > Willlburrr!... > > From: Michael B. Smith [ mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:53 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > Not if his name is Mr. Ed. :-) > > Sent from my HTC Tilt? 2, a Windows® phone from AT&T > > From: Ralph Smith <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:49 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > I don't disagree, but when you are presented with information you > have to evaluate the validity of the data, and hopefully get > clarification from those involved when it implies that there may be > a problem. Virus Bulletin actually warned in the explanation of the > chart that it was just one result and that conclusions shouldn't be > jumped to until there was more data. > > And sometimes, a horse is just a horse, of course. > > > > From: Kim Longenbaugh [ mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:39 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > My point was really that all AV vendors have experience FPs, not just Vipre. > > > > I agree that statistics can be a valuable tool, it?s just that which > ones you choose and how you present them can be misleading. For > example, in a horse race between the US and Russia, the US horse > won. In the American papers, it was reported that the US was took > first place. In the Russian papers, it was reported that the US was > next to last and that Russia was second place. The statistics > reported in both cases were true, but the picture they gave of the > race was very different. > > > > From: Ralph Smith [ mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:08 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > True, but there were people on the VIPRE forum that were hit just as > hard by a couple of the FPs that VIPRE had. I?m not knocking VIPRE > at all ? I like it a lot and would purchase it again with no hesitation. > > > > However, when a well known organization like Virus Bulletin > publishes test results, it makes sense to look at the data and try > to understand what it means and how it may impact your organization. > I personally feel confident with Sunbelt, but I would be interested > to understand how they interpret the chart and what they feel the > implications are for their product. > > > > By the way, some lies may be statistics, but not all statistics are > lies. Information, including statistical, is the basis for sound > decision making. > > > > From: Kim Longenbaugh [ mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:28 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > How about a little perspective on false positives? > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20003074-83.html > > > > and a reminder about statistics from Mark Twain: > > ?there?s 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics? > > > > > > From: Ralph Smith [ mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:20 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > I?ve had VIPRE for a couple of years now, and was fortunately not > hit hard with the false positive problems others have had. With > about 180 Win XP machines, I?ve had only a half dozen infections in > that time ? all but one of the rogue AV kind, so I have been feeling > pretty good. > > > > However, the chart that was linked to is a bit worrying ? the only > popular business class AV solution that scored worse was CA (my > former solution), and most of the others ? McAfee, ESET, Kaspersky, > Sophos to name a few ? show significantly better results. > > > > It would be interesting to hear a comment from Sunbelt ? a little > reassurance needed here. :-) > > > > > > From: Erik Goldoff [ mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:48 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > I don't know what you have now, but I can tell you from experience > at various client sites over the last year or so, none of the > following was without issues : Trend, McAfee, Symantec SAV & SEP > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Carl Houseman <[email protected]> wrote: > > For all of you staunch Vipre supporters, I'm just wondering, are you > still so staunch given the various false positives over the past > year? It seems like I remember reading here about one every > quarter or so, and I can confirm at least 3 since (from online > records and messages I didn't delete) since June 2009. And how many > of you have had to deal with infections despite having an up-to-date Vipre? > > > > Issue I'm debating is a switch from another product to Vipre, and > even though the price is very good, I'm looking at the Virusbtn RAP quadrant ( > http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml) with a very poor > showing for "Sunbelt". Including the false positives and cost of > switching, it doesn't add up to a good choice. At least if the > protection was much better, then the occasional false positive might > be justified. Is there any 3rd party comparison or statistic that > gives Vipre a better than average result? > > > > I'm not looking for endorsements or praise for their tech support ? > heard that all before. But if you've had Vipre on 10 seats or more > and have kept track of live infections after a year or longer, and > effort to avoid or recover from false positives, that would be great > to know. 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