I don't... From: Richard Stovall [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 2:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
Please pardon the semi-hijack. What solution do you use to give the Mac people remote access to their machines? Thanks, RS On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Holstrom, Don <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: We have about a dozen Macs here at the Museum. I give them each dual monitor set-ups, with Parallels and Windows with Microsoft Office so they can Outlook to their e-mail. So far, Mac doesn't really have a good Rendezvous/Outlook set-up, although OWA is very good and getting better. As I stroll by, I see that each Mac user keeps Office up on one monitor, so that Outlook is always open. Each of the Macs can already connect to our PC servers where they keep all their files. I give Remote Desktop access to those who either PC or Mac from the outside. Way too many security openings for Macs, this would not be good with a very secure network... From: Jeff Steward [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 2:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix Don't knock yourself out here Matt, I'm just curious how one manages these issues in a mixed environment. I have one Mac user who works part time so we set him up with a Remote Desktop client and he works in a Terminal Server session. Regards, Jeff Steward On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Apple Remote Desktop is more akin to the Windows Management MMC, MS Remote Desktop and the SysInternals Power Tools rolled into one package. Open Directory is more akin to Group Policy. I will see what I can find out about those regulations. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:21 AM, "Jeff Steward" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: HIPAA SOX MA 201 CMR 17.00 To varying degrees they all boil down to: We define a security policy that meets the regulatory requirements and base configurations to meet that policy and then report regularly on performance to standards. I see from one of your follow-up posts that Apple Remote Desktop is akin to Group Policy. -Jeff Steward On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Can you be more specific? What standards are you needing to be compliant to? An example regulation would help me answer your question. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:26 AM, "Jeff Steward" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: A school environment is not the same as a public company environment. Compliance to <insert your favorite standard here> and reporting on said compliance or non-trivial issues for public companies or private companies subject to other regulations. There are a wealth of tools for managing these issues in a Windows environment, can the same be said of the Mac environment? -Jeff Steward On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Macs are not the burden you make them sound to be. Integrating a Mac into a windows network is never going to be painless; the two systems are inherently different. If what you want is a Windows experience from your Mac, install Windows. Now not everybody likes MacOS X, but the same can be said for Windows. Insert the problem of subjective preference here. Personally, I love working on my iMac, and managing the other Macs in our district is very easy if you use the provided Apple tools: Mac OS X server, Open Directory, and Apple Remote Desktop. Then again, I hate how a Mac _can_ cost 2x as much as a comparable PC. I do like that software upgrades are cheaper for Mac, but I don't like how apple drops support for anything that is not the current generation or the previous one. If you're 2 generations back, you're out of luck. What can a Mac do that a PC Can't? Nothing. But I would argue that competition is one of the pillars of innovation. Without Mac OS X competing against Windows, what would Windows look like today? --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hill [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:28:49 -0700 Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix > We have pretty much eliminated all of the Mac's here. > > We didn't have 3rd party products to manage them so they always required so > much manual interaction. Any global change we made we could easily automate > with PC's thanks to group policy etc but it was always a manual change for > the Mac's. > > They really aren't a corporate product imo. You only have to look to Apple > for a corporate grade management solution to realise that it doesn't exist. > > They do indeed need patching (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222) and there > is AV products for them. Symantec has one for example. Personally I think > the day is coming when someone will write a decent bit of malware/virus for > them and 99% plus will get caught out by it. There is a very misguided > opinion amongst the Apple community that they are safe. Apple's false > advertising only strengthens this. The facts are that Mac's are more > vulnerable than the PC world http://www.crn.com/security/226200083 > > More importantly, what is the need for the Mac's in the first place? For us > they were only sued for Adobe CS, which runs just fine on PC's. In fact > these days Adobe is more behind the PC world than the Mac. For example, > 64bit Photoshop was first on PC, had to wait for CS5 for Mac to get it. > That's without going into the Flash debate :) > > > > > > From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2010 6:07 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Mac and Windows mix > > I would like to hear from those of you who have a mixed Windows/Mac > environments: How do you handle management of the diverse environment? > Presumably with Mac's there is no patching or AV. 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