Yes, Apple Remote Desktop (ARD) is $300 for 10 clients, $500 for unlimited. But Mac OS X Server is $500 for unlimited clients, no CALs required. The client software is $40/Mac. Compare that with Windows prices. And these are not the costs of an "upgrade" version.
You make that money back on ARD very quickly. As for the Open Directory Maser/Slave setup being akin to Windows NT Active Directory, you're absolutely right. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: sdewilliman [mailto:[email protected]] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:57:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix > ARD also costs at least $300 for basic 10-user mgmt. > RDP/RDCM are both free, so is pstools. > > WGM is a closer comparison to GPO as OD is to AD....well, AD back in the NT > 4.0 days with the PDC-BDC/master-slave set up. > > > On 9/7/10 2:34 PM, "Jeff Steward" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Don't knock yourself out here Matt, I'm just curious how one manages these > > issues in a mixed environment. I have one Mac user who works part time > so we > > set him up with a Remote Desktop client and he works in a Terminal Server > > session. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff Steward > > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> Apple Remote Desktop is more akin to the Windows Management MMC, MS > Remote > >> Desktop and the SysInternals Power Tools rolled into one package. Open > >> Directory is more akin to Group Policy. > >> > >> I will see what I can find out about those regulations. > >> > >> > >> > >> --Matt Ross > >> Ephrata School District > >> > >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:21 AM, "Jeff Steward" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> HIPAA > >>> SOX > >>> MA 201 CMR 17.00 > >>> > >>> To varying degrees they all boil down to: > >>> > >>> We define a security policy that meets the regulatory requirements and > base > >>> configurations to meet that policy and then report regularly on > performance > >>> to standards. I see from one of your follow-up posts that Apple Remote > >>> Desktop is akin to Group Policy. > >>> > >>> -Jeff Steward > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Matthew W. Ross < > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Can you be more specific? What standards are you needing to be > compliant > >>>> to? An example regulation would help me answer your question. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --Matt Ross > >>>> Ephrata School District > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:26 AM, "Jeff Steward" < > <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> A school environment is not the same as a public company environment. > >>>>> Compliance to <insert your favorite standard here> and reporting on > said > >>>>> compliance or non-trivial issues for public companies or private > companies > >>>>> subject to other regulations. There are a wealth of tools for > managing > >>>>> these issues in a Windows environment, can the same be said of the Mac > >>>>> environment? > >>>>> > >>>>> -Jeff Steward > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Matthew W. Ross < > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Macs are not the burden you make them sound to be. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Integrating a Mac into a windows network is never going to be > painless; > >>>>>> the two systems are inherently different. If what you want is a > Windows > >>>>>> experience from your Mac, install Windows. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now not everybody likes MacOS X, but the same can be said for > Windows. > >>>>>> Insert the problem of subjective preference here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Personally, I love working on my iMac, and managing the other Macs in > our > >>>>>> district is very easy if you use the provided Apple tools: Mac OS X > >>>>>> server, Open Directory, and Apple Remote Desktop. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Then again, I hate how a Mac _can_ cost 2x as much as a comparable > PC. I > >>>>>> do like that software upgrades are cheaper for Mac, but I don't like > how > >>>>>> apple drops support for anything that is not the current generation > or > >>>>>> the previous one. If you're 2 generations back, you're out of luck. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What can a Mac do that a PC Can't? Nothing. But I would argue that > >>>>>> competition is one of the pillars of innovation. Without Mac OS X > >>>>>> competing against Windows, what would Windows look like today? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --Matt Ross > >>>>>> Ephrata School District > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: James Hill > >>>>>> [mailto: <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]] > >>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>>>>> [mailto: <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>> [email protected]] > >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 > >>>>>> 19:28:49 -0700 > >>>>>> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We have pretty much eliminated all of the Mac's here. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > We didn't have 3rd party products to manage them so they always > >>>>>>> required so > >>>>>>> > much manual interaction. Any global change we made we could > easily > >>>>>>> automate > >>>>>>> > with PC's thanks to group policy etc but it was always a manual > change > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> > the Mac's. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > They really aren't a corporate product imo. You only have to > look to > >>>>>>> Apple > >>>>>>> > for a corporate grade management solution to realise that it > doesn't > >>>>>>> exist. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > They do indeed need patching ( > <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222> > >>>>>>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222> > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222) > >>>>>>> and there > >>>>>>> > is AV products for them. Symantec has one for example. > Personally I > >>>>>>> think > >>>>>>> > the day is coming when someone will write a decent bit of > >>>>>>> malware/virus for > >>>>>>> > them and 99% plus will get caught out by it. There is a very > >>>>>>> misguided > >>>>>>> > opinion amongst the Apple community that they are safe. Apple's > false > >>>>>>> > advertising only strengthens this. The facts are that Mac's are > more > >>>>>>> > vulnerable than the PC world > <http://www.crn.com/security/226200083> > >>>>>>> <http://www.crn.com/security/226200083> > >>>>>>> http://www.crn.com/security/226200083 > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > More importantly, what is the need for the Mac's in the first > place? > >>>>>>> For us > >>>>>>> > they were only sued for Adobe CS, which runs just fine on PC's. > In > >>>>>>> fact > >>>>>>> > these days Adobe is more behind the PC world than the Mac. For > >>>>>>> example, > >>>>>>> > 64bit Photoshop was first on PC, had to wait for CS5 for Mac to > get > >>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>> > That's without going into the Flash debate :) > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > From: David Lum [mailto: <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]] > >>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2010 6:07 AM > >>>>>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >>>>>>> > Subject: Mac and Windows mix > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > I would like to hear from those of you who have a mixed > Windows/Mac > >>>>>>> > environments: How do you handle management of the diverse > environment? > >>>>>>> > Presumably with Mac's there is no patching or AV. 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