Funny, when I used to take the classes, I expected to learn something new... Instead, I found myself at the very least, assisting the instructor if not nearly teaching the class...
And personally, no I would not list the individual classes on my resume... Maybe a bullet point stating that you stay on top of new technology via continuing education. Then if they care and they ask about it in an interview, you can expand upon it from there... On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:12 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll agree with that, I have enjoyed every MS class I have taken, as even > though I don't go for certs I do take classes as they come out and always do > learn something that invariably gives me enough knowledge to figure > something out. Knowing how it works is more important than specific details > of switch A. > > Which brings up a question - is there any value is listing on your "long" > resume individual classes you've taken? I hit New Horizon's 1-2x/year on > average, keeping up with Server and desktop OS's, PowerShell, etc (in fact > in two weeks I have a 5-day class on Win 7). > > Just seems a little dorky to list a class or six when they're not > degree-related. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:43 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Early Friday Funny... > > There is something to be said in going through (or at least there used to > be) coursework to prep for MCSA/MCSE. I sat through 5 months of evening > classes 2/3 nights a week back in 2000 with the intent of taking the NT4 > exams. I found out that the exams were being retired at the end of the year, > so I didn't bother. However, the instructors were very good, real-world, > hands-on individuals. > > I pursued my MCSE in 2002, and I'll admit that it was also a useful > learning experience. At the time our environment was in its early stages of > development, and we had not been running AD very long at all. I was able to > come back from that course and immediately begin implementing useful changes > to our environment. > > The exams are a totally different story. What I recall was going through 7 > mind-warping exams. You would have a 5 option multiple-choice question, with > 5 BAD options. So, in effect, you get, "well, you COULD do it that way, but > WHY?!?", and you'd have to choose the best bad/wrong answer... hopefully > they have gotten better, but I haven't gone for any more certs since, so I > couldn't say. > > Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE > Technology Coordinator > Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA > [email protected] > www.eaglemds.com > ________________________________________ > From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:32 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Early Friday Funny... > > One reason I'll never claim to be an expert - the last test I took (ok it > was years ago) I failed by what must have been one question, two TOPS. I can > explain DNS, DHCP, GPO's, why and how they work, FSMO roles and what they > are and do, blah blah blah, but I couldn't tell you where the default log > file location is for IIS w/out looking it up, etc. > > The thing that really kills me is when I know something an MCSE doesn't, > sometimes it's really basic-to-me stuff like using restricted groups in > GPO's or creating a DHCP reservation, I always figure the MS certified dude > should be schooling me. > > Dave > > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:46 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Early Friday Funny... > > The classic debate of the value of certs or degrees. :) They don't > guarantee knowledge, but they generally do show that the person who holds > them was willing to invest time and money in themselves. And while there are > certainly exceptions, my experience has been that on the whole the people > with the certs/degrees are more knowledgeable. > > > > > John Hornbuckle > MIS Department > Taylor County School District > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > > > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:06 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Early Friday Funny... > > Reminds me of one LAN Admin candidate I interviewed a few years back for a > senior position. His resume showed certifications out the ying-yang, MS, > Cisco, A+, etc ... > > I normally asked how many nodes on a 27 bit subnet mask, but that stumped > him, so I asked him how many nodes on a standard Class C subnet. > His answer : "Between 200 and 300" > > OK, so technically correct, but not accurate. 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