No, sorry for the confusion. We would have to repurchase the licenses, if we stay on our current licensing model. We used to be able to call our rep, and tell him that we're dropping a Novell box, and bringing up a new Windows box, and he could convert a license for us. They can't do that anymore.
>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle" <[email protected]> 11/10/2010 9:29 AM >>> On top of having to re-buy the solution? That's just wrong. Get a new sales rep. Or a new solution (which implies the first point of getting a new sales rep). Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA [email protected] www.eaglemds.com -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup solution options One other thing I forgot to mention. Not sure how it would affect anyone else, but it's big here. We currently run Novell for our authentication, file shares, printers, etc. We are in the planning phase of migrating to a complete Windows shop. This would require us to change our Novell licenses to Windows. We were told, by our sales guy, that from now on, there is NO conversion of licenses, in any way. Which means we would have to re-buy licenses that we "convert" from Novell to Windows. >>> "Steven M. Caesare" <[email protected]> 11/10/2010 9:14 AM >>> Excellent, thanks for the overview... I'm stashing this away for our next meeting with our salesdroid. -sc > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:33 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup solution options > > Since there have been a couple of people responding, who are using > CommVault, I'll respond here: > > Currently, you buy licenses per agent/box. Windows file, Linux file, > Exchange, SQL, etc. > > What they are moving to, and the important point here is that you are NOT > being forced to change, is a capacity licensing model. You will buy a certain > amount of capacity (x TB). This is based on the data coming from the client, > not what is actually in your storage. (Important note, since you may be using > compression/deduplication on the server side, which is not taken into > consideration) Once you are on the capacity model, they no longer care how > many/what kind of licenses you are using. You can deploy 1000 SQL agents, > 500 Exchange agents, etc. > There are two "tiers" of the capacity model. Core, and Enterprise. With the > Enterprise level, you have access to some really cool features, such as Snap > Protect Jobs, for virtualization backups, where CommVault will integrate > directly with your storage array (as long as it's on their list), and have the > array take a snapshot directly, without involving your VCenter, or whatever > your flavor is, and do processing on the CommVault side, to allow volume/file > level restores. It also brings in client-side deduplication, which pretty much > all the heavy hitters are going to now, which will check to see if the file exists > in your storage before it sends it across the wire, which will help to reduce > your backup size and traffic. > The Core level does not include those two features, but does include > advanced reporting, and Enterprise Vault Tracker, which used to be an addon > feature. > They are also offering an archive feature, both file and e-mail. The data > within the archive is included in your total capacity, but it is a lower charge > per TB than normal storage, so you can reduce your overall bill by using it > (possibly). There is also a "true up" schedule involved in the process. This is > flexible, can be quarterly, semi-annual, or annual. They'll ask you to run a > couple of reports, and if you're over your capacity, they'll bill you for the > overage/increase your capacity. > > Our issue with the changes is not feature based. I love the features they're > bringing in. It's the cost of converting that is completely giving us a sour > taste. The costs to convert are one-time charges, but they are high enough > that you are basically repurchasing the whole package, instead of an > "upgrade", which is what our salesperson kept saying. It's not an "upgrade", > it's a complete repurchase. > > If you're interested in the numbers that were thrown around in the meeting, > contact me offline. > > >>> "Steven M. Caesare" <[email protected]> 11/10/2010 6:19 AM >>> > You mind expanding on the licensing changes? > > We use the product here, and I'd like to know what we may be in for... > > -sc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:56 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Backup solution options > > > > Esteemed gurus, > > > > I need some suggestions. We currently use Simpana 8 from CommVault > for > > our backup solution. They are changing their licensing model, and the > result > > would be that we would basically have to repurchase the product, all > over > > again, in order to "upgrade" to the new licensing/feature set. We're > not real > > keen on that idea, so I've been asked to research other options for > our > > backup. > > > > Here's how we do our backups currently: > > > > Nightly incrementals to a disk array connected to our backup server. > > Weekly full backups, again to the disk array. > > Weekly copy to tape jobs, which are then sent to an offsite office for > 42 days. > > Monthly copy to tape jobs, which are then sent to Iron Mountain for > 400 > > days. > > > > Our environment consists of: > > > > Lots of VMWare guests (running the latest ESXi, and we're in the > process of > > re-implementing the VCB process) Windows clusters Linux boxes, with a > > couple different flavors of Linux Novell boxes - the only thing we're > worried > > about here is the datavol being backed up. > > > > We do have SQL boxes, but we're doing "flat file" backups, running > > scheduled SQL backups, then backing up the backup file. > > No Exchange boxes atm, still on Groupwise, which we will be taking > care of > > separately. > > > > > > > > Overall, our weekly fulls are around 10TB right now, and twice a year > we have > > a job that backs up an additional 6-7TB. We're using a Dell TL4000 > tape library > > for our backups, 4 drives, SAS connection to the backup server, LTO4 > tapes. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any suggestions you guys may have, and if you need other > info, > > just let me know. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- > > software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- > software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- > software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. 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