It all depends on what the links are like between here [1] and there [2]. These 
sites may or may not give you a good indication of what you're really 
receiving. I'm connected to a major carrier with national presence in a 
reasonably sized metropolitan area (over 260,000 in Greensboro, but over 1.5 
Million in GSO/Winston Salem/High Point).
It all depends on what they're really selling you. A 100 Mb "Internet" 
connection to their core isn't going to be worth squat if the majority of your 
traffic leaves their core and they don't have the connectivity/SLAs to the 
other carriers to get you the "Internet bandwidth" you crave and/or need.
Then again, if you're in a large metro area, and many of the services you 
depend on are based in the area, you likely won't have a problem.
Again, to what/where are they guaranteeing you 100 M? They can only guarantee 
what they can control. Once it hits another carrier, all bets are off, 
depending on what the SLA is with their connected carriers.
[1] & [2] - these are relative terms.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<BLOCKED::mailto:%[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/>

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From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Yes obviously they are basing their speeds on the link from us to their first 
hop which I believe is in Colo. Springs.
So I should be able with the sites your giving get close to the 100mb?
Thanks
I have not signed off on this yet so I will be doing some more testing.
dave

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Gotcha. The question is, to what are they claiming you're getting 100M? 
Probably only your connection to their local backbone, which may or may not be 
worth it. IMO, you need to know more about their backbone connectivity and SLAa 
to other providers.
I've got a 10 M Full duplex fiber connection from Time Warner, and using this 
site, I show better than 9.2 M in both directions:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/East/learn/hso/speedtest.html
Using this Qwest site, I got 8.450 M down and 9.052 up:
http://washington-dc.speedtest.qwest.net/
Using this site in Las Vegas, 7.25 down, 6.46 up:
http://test.lvcm.com/burst/
Using speed test to a server in Greensboro, 8.99 Down, 8.66 Up:
http://www.speedtest.net/
>From here to a server in LA on the same site, 8.14 down, 5.29 up.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<BLOCKED::mailto:%[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/>

________________________________
From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

This is our new internet circuit. They are handing off Ethernet to our dmark. I 
hooked up a pc directly to the circuit and the best I come up with is 40Mb.

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Is it just a point to point layer 2? I've not dealt with Qwest in a long time, 
so I'm not familiar with their offerings.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<BLOCKED::mailto:%[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/>

________________________________
From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Jonathan, I am switching over from our 10mb to 100mb qmoe starting with my 
signoff next week. They are (Qwest) still trying to get the circuit to verify 
at 100Mb. It currently to them shows 82. How can I can test this with just a pc 
on my end? I went to qwest.speedtest.net and it isn't anywhere near even the 82 
they report. How do I the customer validate the speed I am paying for?
dave


From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

We switched to Metro-E over fiber about 6 years ago, and haven't looked back, 
though it isn't MPLS. We just have a Point to Multi-point layer 2 network, with 
them breaking out switch ports at my core for each remote site. So for all 
intents and purposes, from my standpoint, it is a handful of point to point 
layer 2 connections.
One thing I had to beat into my providers' head was verifying the speed and 
duplex of their equipment. For some, we needed 100 full, and for others, we 
needed 10 full. It all depended on what gear we had at each site. Even once the 
setting was changed, sometimes it would take an equipment reboot (theirs AND 
ours) in order for it to settle properly.
You should not have to dumb down the connection speed to 10 mbps, as they are 
rate limiting on their equipment down to 5 Mbps (just like what we have). What 
is your terminating equipment, and are you seeing interface errors? (I know you 
said collisions, but what exactly are your interfaces saying?)

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<BLOCKED::mailto:%[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/>

________________________________
From: Tom Miller [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

Recommendations and comments welcome.




Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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