I actually like my job (most days). However, I work for the state of Wisconsin. For now anyway.....
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, there is definitely some truth to that. That's a really good > point about the exciting times in IT being during implementation and > problems/disasters. > > I was having a conversation with a friend of mine this morning (he > moved from the telecom world into counseling fathers and families!). > Anyway, we were talking about job and career changes, and the gist of > it is that if you change jobs because you are dissatisfied, even if > you are good at what you do and even if you THINK you enjoy it...... > if you are unsatisfied with job after job, and the corporate climate > is different in each one, perhaps it isn't the job, but the career > you've chosen... > > Part of my motivation for changing jobs is for me to explore whether > or not this truly is the right career for me. If I continue to be > dissatisfied with my new job, (once the honeymoon wears off), then > perhaps it isn't the culture, but possibly it is time for me to at > least consider a change in careers... (scary thought, but one has to > work through these things to find contentment). > > JR > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> > wrote: > > In the vein of greener pastures and all that, I also read this editorial > > recently (subscription required, probably not worth it because I'll > > paraphrase it below). > > http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Editorial/72386/ > > > > The editorial is focused on the DBA, and it's thesis is that work is > > mundane, exciting work happens when something bad happens, and we put in > a > > lot of effort to make sure bad things don't happen. That's all > applicable > > to IT in general. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the reasons for > > leaving shouldn't involve the %WORK% but should involve the %JOB%. 245 > word > > article made a world of difference in making me understand my own > situation. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Best of luck to you both! Hopefully some of that good vib will rub > off > >> and I'll find a new gig that's a "happy place". > >> > >> Don K > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: "Ziots, Edward" <[email protected]> > >> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 7:22:50 AM > >> Subject: RE: Today is the end of the line for me, > >> > >> Jon, > >> > >> > >> > >> I definitely see the excitement in your email for this new opportunity, > >> definitely happy for you. Hopefully will be moving on to do security > only > >> work and leave the system engineering realm behind, its beyond time. > >> > >> > >> > >> Z > >> > >> > >> > >> Edward E. Ziots > >> > >> CISSP, Network +, Security + > >> > >> Network Engineer > >> > >> Lifespan Organization > >> > >> Email:[email protected] > >> > >> Cell:401-639-3505 > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Jonathan [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:14 PM > >> > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: Today is the end of the line for me, > >> > >> > >> > >> +100 > >> > >> Wow. I wish I had read that a LONG time ago. > >> > >> On a positive note, I AM moving on, and quite excited about it. > >> > >> Hang in there Z! > >> > >> Jonathan - Thumb typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really > >> is) on the Verizon network. > >> > >> On Feb 17, 2011 9:31 PM, "Andrew S. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Excellent article > >> > > >> > -ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > >> > > >> > Sent from my Motorola Droid > >> > On Feb 17, 2011 8:28 PM, "Jonathan Link" <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> This may be appropriate to your mood. > >> >> http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/hawall.htm > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Ziots, Edward <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> I think after this day I have come to the conclusion is time to move > >> >>> on, > >> >>> if there is companies in the RI/MASS/CT area looking for a security > >> >>> engineer, please contact me at the email below. If the distance is > >> >>> under > >> >>> 1.5 hrs I am game. > >> >>> > >> >>> Z > >> >>> > >> >>> Edward E. Ziots > >> >>> CISSP, Network +, Security + > >> >>> Network Engineer > >> >>> Lifespan Organization > >> >>> Email:[email protected] > >> >>> Cell:401-639-3505 > >> >>> > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>> From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:50 PM > >> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >>> Subject: RE: Thoughts on this pitch from Trend > >> >>> > >> >>> Every SBS site I manage has two servers just to offload some of that > >> >>> (that, and have redundant DC's). In some cases the "server" is a > >> >>> desktop, but it keeps that much less activity off the SBS server. AV > >> >>> and > >> >>> WSUS, that's what an older desktop is good for :-). > >> >>> > >> >>> Dave > >> >>> > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>> From: Bill Humphries [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:46 AM > >> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on this pitch from Trend > >> >>> > >> >>> I think some of the issues have to do with smaller installations. We > >> >>> have several clients that install the A/V server software on an SBS > >> >>> server...and Trend can bog it down with the smart scan features > >> >>> enabled. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Jonathan wrote: > >> >>> > Very interesting.... > >> >>> > > >> >>> > We switched from McAfee to Trend a year ago. Between 500 and 600 > >> >>> > nodes, including servers, and we have not experienced problems > like > >> >>> > what some of you have described...we are controlling updates from > >> >>> > our > >> >>> > own internal server, and we are not utilizing Trend's cloudy > >> >>> > offering. > >> >>> > [1] > >> >>> > > >> >>> > We've been *very* happy. (of course we did come from McAfee, so I > >> >>> > guess everything is relative.) :-) > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Jonathan > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] cloudy, get it? I crack myself up.... (I can ear the roans and > >> >>> > eyerolls now...) > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:25 PM, David Lum <[email protected]> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >> Excellent to be aware of, thanks guys. %dayjob% environment is > >> >>> infinitely > >> >>> >> more complex than my client of 55 seats. What AV do you > recommend? > >> >>> Vipre is > >> >>> >> on the list, as is Symantec (beyond my control). Trend was the > >> >>> >> third > >> >>> but I > >> >>> >> am open to nixing them in favor of something else. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> %dayjob% = 450+ seats with dozens (50+) remote workers that work > >> >>> >> from > >> >>> home, > >> >>> >> multiple SAN's, couple hundred servers, blah blah blah... > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Dave > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:16 AM > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >>> >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on this pitch from Trend > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Yeh happened all over apart from on the sites, that had brand new > >> >>> over > >> >>> >> specced servers, with brand new fast PC's with an abundance of > >> >>> >> memory > >> >>> but > >> >>> >> even they exhibited a measurable slowdown. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I personally do not like any software package that at 850MB when > >> >>> downloaded > >> >>> >> expands to take up 8.5GB on the server within 4 days. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> And the supports advise is to switch off the new features, and > >> >>> >> leave > >> >>> you > >> >>> >> with the functionality of the old version, but doesn't improve > >> >>> performance. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> It also seriously corrupted a DFS share, and database on one > site, > >> >>> again > >> >>> >> there are technet articles and such that state that Trend needs > to > >> >>> >> be > >> >>> >> disabled from scanning DFS databases and shares, but that was > only > >> >>> after teh > >> >>> >> damage was done. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Version 4 -5 issues on upgrade, and a rapid release of 5.1 to > solve > >> >>> them. 5 > >> >>> >> - 6 serious issues on upgrade, no fix, even 6.1 didnt solve the > >> >>> problems. > >> >>> >> The only fix was complete removal, and replace with a different > >> >>> product. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I have raised the issues with Trend, and told them we were > stopping > >> >>> selling > >> >>> >> their product, and would only continue renewing existing licenses > >> >>> >> who > >> >>> wanted > >> >>> >> to stay with Trend, and nothing was done. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> They keep phoning every couple of months, to see why were not > >> >>> >> selling > >> >>> and I > >> >>> >> keep telling them, but they never respond, until its chase sales > >> >>> figures > >> >>> >> time. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> YMMV but they have seriously burnt my birdges, and indirectly > cost > >> >>> >> my > >> >>> >> company money, in fixing issues caused by their software. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On 17 February 2011 17:07, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Weird, no issue in the environment I support when I upgraded > them. > >> >>> Small > >> >>> >> environment though, 55 systems, fairly "clean" clients and just > two > >> >>> sites. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Dave > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:49 AM > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Cc: Steven Peck > >> >>> >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on this pitch from Trend > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Would avoid Tren Worry Free like the plague. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> It killed (literally stopped servers and clients talking, due to > >> >>> >> scan > >> >>> >> overload, and resource hogging) 4 networks when it was upgraded > >> >>> >> from > >> >>> 5 to 6, > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Had to remove it and install vipre which made very angry clients > >> >>> >> very > >> >>> happy > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Graeme > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On 17 February 2011 16:44, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Here we go > >> >>> >> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-01-07/ > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Steven Peck > >> >>> >> http://www.blkmtn.org > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Mike Gill > >> >>> <[email protected]> > >> >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Bla bla, our def files are I the cloud, bla bla, something about > >> >>> >> virtualization density, bla bla cloud, bla bla bla. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Of the different AV product I have worked with, all of them allow > >> >>> >> for > >> >>> an > >> >>> >> alternate server location for def updates if a local store isn't > >> >>> available. > >> >>> >> I'm not sure what they're trying to sell, but they like saying > >> >>> >> cloud > >> >>> over > >> >>> >> and over. J > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> -- > >> >>> >> Mike Gill > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:02 AM > >> >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >>> >> Subject: Thoughts on this pitch from Trend > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> It's 3:43 long. Their WorryFree product does this as well and > seems > >> >>> to work > >> >>> >> OK at the client of 55 machines that has it (it gives you the > >> >>> >> option > >> >>> to > >> >>> >> update from the local Trend machine or from Trend's servers). > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Seems to me they're using "cloud" to mean "clients update from us > >> >>> >> and > >> >>> not > >> >>> >> your local server". 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