The way I understand it is, in a fat-client model, once you installed it on the 71st computer, you'd be violating your licensing agreement.
In a Citrix environment, it would be available only to the users restricted, so you "should never" go beyond that number. In that case, I think it moves to a "simultaneous" user count, since it's only installed on the Citrix server(s). I could be totally wrong, also... J Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer Datasafe Platform Enterprise Technology Group Fiserv [email protected] Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax: 610-293-4499 www.fiserv.com <http://www.fiserv.com/> From: James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Licensing question Can restrict on anything - user, group, OU, IP address, client name, time of day, environment variable, processor type, WMI query, you name it. The question is whether this would conform with the licensing model. I was wondering if anyone had come across the same issues and gotten a definitive answer, but it looks like I'll have to get onto MS. As mentioned previously, licensing is some very muddy waters. On 15 March 2011 13:43, Guyer, Don <[email protected]> wrote: Could you restrict access to the app using %username% instead of %device%? Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer Datasafe Platform Enterprise Technology Group Fiserv [email protected] Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax: 610-293-4499 www.fiserv.com <http://www.fiserv.com/> From: Tom Miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Licensing question Talk to Microsoft. At least you'll get an MS answer. >>> James Rankin <[email protected]> 3/15/2011 9:04 AM >>> Hmmm. I don't know whether AppSense are trying to pull the wool over my eyes then. They sent me this document http://www.appsense.com/Files/Documents/Microsoft%20Application%20Licens e%20Control%20%28US%29.pdf which seems to indicate that "how the network is set up and how access is provided to Microsoft application software has no impact on the licensing of the application itself." Maybe they are just trying to get me to buy into their suite....which is not really necessary, seeing as though we already have 2000 licenses for it. Might be time to get onto MS directly. On 15 March 2011 13:00, Tom Miller <[email protected]> wrote: We purchase enough licenses so that each person who will potentially access the MS application has a license. So we purchase fewer licenses of MS Visio/Project/Access than the general MS Office Standard Suite. Access to those applications is limited to a number of staff in a special group, which we have configured for Citrix XenApp access. So users who don't have a license don't even see the app. I think this is correct; I called MS licensing about it. You can inquire at microsoft.com/licensing. Who knows, MS licensing seems to change every day. And if you are using virtual desktops, each Win 7 license comes with a virtual license too. But I don't know if that applies to MS applications. Microsoft Licensing = Obfuscation. Tom >>> James Rankin <[email protected]> 3/15/2011 8:51 AM >>> Am I right in assuming that MS desktop applications are all licensed on a per-device basis? We have 70 licenses for Project which are available to users coming through a Citrix infrastructure, with 1900 endpoints. Now, given that each endpoint logs on to a Citrix server where Project is available as a streamed app, is it correct that I would need 1900 licenses for Project, even though the application is restricted on a per-group basis to 70 users only? A document I received from AppSense seems to confirm these suspicions. 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