Actually the BYOC initiative might push some of these issues to the fore,
joking aside. Currently I don't mind people connecting from Blackberries,
iPads, Macs etc. because I can push them all onto Citrix and effectively
turn them into a Windows platform without worrying about the endpoint
security. It is, as you say, when these things become corporate, LAN-based
assets that the endpoint has to be secured as well as the delivered apps.

On 26 May 2011 10:23, Alan Davies <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Fair enough ... morning FAIL for me then! ;o)
>
> However it is *exactly* the line that the Creative department aggressively
> took in a past role where they refused to have their precious Macs managed.
> Stems from a "protect your crappy little Windows domain how you like, but
> leave our Macs alone" type attitude!  I think quite a lot of people could
> and would imagine what you jokingly posted as being entirely appropriate! :(
>
>
>
> a
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* 26 May 2011 10:19
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Managing Mac's
>
> It was a joke
>
> Typed frustratingly slowly on my BlackBerry® wireless device
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Alan Davies" <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Thu, 26 May 2011 10:13:56 +0100
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]
> >
> *Subject: *RE: Managing Mac's
>
> How exactly does that excuse one from managing the Macs?  If you're locking
> them down so much that they're just a dumb terminal, then save a lot of
> money and get them a Wyse terminal!  If the Mac is used for work (ie. it
> stores or processes data), then it must be managed.  Managed as in patched,
> updated, controlled, protected, etc.  You have a legal liability to ensure
> non-criminal use of any machine in your organisation at the very least.
> That's not to say you have to be incredibly aggressive about it necessarily
> .. you have compensating controls and should understand the risk and
> therefore demonstrate due diligence.
>
> I could write for ages on the many many things you really should do if you
> manage Macs, but let's just say that it's dangerously misleading to imagine
> a VLAN and Citrix client excuses non-management of an endpoint ..
> particularly if that endpoint is mobile.  If you're a regulated industry,
> then 100 times so ...
>
>
>
> a
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* 25 May 2011 16:14
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Managing Mac's
>
> Just put them on a separate VLAN, install this (
> http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/subfeature.asp?contentID=2300384) 
> and make them use a Windows published desktop from a Citrix server running
> through the web interface. No more worrying about updating Macs :-)
>
> On 25 May 2011 16:10, S Powell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> don't let regular users we don't let them run as admin and just do updates
>> manually.
>>
>> most of the Macs that we use are used by our admins.  Otherwise we're all
>> MS.
>>
>>
>> -----------------
>> Who'd you rather be, the Beatles or the Rolling Stones?
>>
>>
>>
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