On Tue, 2018-08-07 at 22:07 -0700, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, Sebastian Berg <sebastian@sipsolution
> s.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 21:52 -0700, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12343@gmai
> > l.co
> > > m> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I idle in #scipy and have op in there. I’m happy start idling
> > in
> > > > #numpy and be op if the community is willing to let me.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks Nathan. Sounds useful.
> > > 
> > 
> > Sounds good. I haven't really hung out there for a long time
> > (frankly,
> > I never hung out in #numpy, I thought people just use #scipy).
> > 
> > Can we just give a few names (such as Matti, Nathan, maybe me,
> > anyone
> > else right now?) and add others later ourselves?
> > I can get in contact with freenode (unless someone already did).
> 
> Thanks Sebastian. Go ahead I'd say.


Will do, just realized looking at it. The Steering Council list, etc.
has a list of names, but not email addresses (or PGP keys). I do not
remember, was that intentional or not? Also I am not sure if the
steering council email address is published anywhere, IIRC it was
possible for anyone to send an email to it (OTOH, it would be nice to
not catch spam there, so maybe it is fine to ask for the address
first).

- Sebastian

> 
> Ralf
> 
> > > There's also a Gitter numpy channel. AFAIK few/none core devs are
> > > regularly active on either IRC or Gitter. I would suggest that we
> > > document both these channels as community-run at
> > > https://scipy.org/scipylib/mailing-lists.html, and give Nathan
> > and
> > > others who are interested the permissions they need.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yeah, the gitter seems pretty inactive as well. But I guess it
> > doesn't
> > hurt to mention them.
> > 
> > - Sebastian
> > 
> > 
> > > I think our official recommendation for usage questions is
> > > StackOverflow.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ralf
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I’m also in the process of getting ops for #matplotlib for
> > similar
> > > > spam-related reasons. I’d say all the scientific python IRC
> > > > channels I’m in get a decent amount of traffic (perhaps 10% of
> > the
> > > > number of questions that get asked on StackOverflow) and it’s a
> > > > good venue for asking quick questions. Let’s hope that forcing
> > > > people to register doesn’t kill that, although there’s not much
> > we
> > > > can do given the spam attack.
> > > > 
> > > > Nathan
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:03 PM Matti Picus <matti.picus@gmail.c
> > om>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Over the past few days spambots have been hitting freenode's
> > IRC 
> > > > > channels[0, 1]. It turns out the #numpy channel has no
> > operator,
> > > > > so we 
> > > > > cannot make the channel mode "|+q $~a"[2] - i.e. only
> > registered 
> > > > > freenode users can talk but anyone can listen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was in touch with the freenode staff, they requested that
> > > > > someone from 
> > > > > the steering council reach out to them at ||projects@freenode
> > .net
> > > > > , here 
> > > > > is the quote from the discussion:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "
> > > > > it's pretty much a matter of them sending an email telling us
> > who
> > > > > they'd 
> > > > > like to represent them on freenode, which channels and cloak
> > > > > namespaces 
> > > > > they want, and any info we might need on the project
> > > > > "
> > > > > 
> > > > > In the mean time they set the channel mode appropriately, so
> > this
> > > > > is 
> > > > > also a notice that if you want to chat on the #numpy IRC
> > channel
> > > > > you 
> > > > > need to register.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hope someone from the council picks this up and reaches out
> > to
> > > > > them, and 
> > > > > will decide who is to able to become channel operators (the
> > > > > recommended 
> > > > > practice is to use it like sudo, only assume the role when
> > needed
> > > > > then 
> > > > > turn it back off).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Matti
> > > > > 
> > > > > [0] https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack
> > > > > [1] https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
> > > > > [2] https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201808/fighting_spam_on_fr
> > eeno
> > > > > de.html
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