Speaking as someone who started but then stopped dabbling in the NumPy C core, 
having to think about two build system is a huge turn-off. Getting into the 
NumPy C code is hard enough without having to worry about multiple build 
systems. 

Bryan 


On Jul 5, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gomm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gomm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5 Jul 2014 09:23, "Ralf Gommers" <ralf.gomm...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> Perhaps a compromise would be to declare it officially unsupported and
> >> remove it from Travis CI, while leaving the files in place to be used on an
> >> at-your-own-risk basis? As long as it's in Travis, the default is that
> >> anyone who breaks it has to fix it. If it's not in Travis, then the default
> >> is that the people (person?) who use bento are responsible for keeping it
> >> working for their needs.
> >
> > -1 that just means that simple changes like adding a new extension will not
> > get made before PRs get merged, and bento support will be in a broken state
> > much more often.
> 
> Yes, and then the handful of people who care about this would fix it
> or not.
> 
> What next, we give Alan Isaac commit rights and then it's OK to break 
> numpy.matrix when that's convenient?
>  
> Your -1 is attempting to veto other people's *not* paying
> attention to this build system. I... don't think -1's work that way
> :-(
> 
> You're proposing it'll be OK for others to break stuff that the people before 
> them put quite some effort into implementing. I damn well have the right to 
> give that a -1. 
> 
> David is fixing the few existing problems now, so there should be zero issues 
> here. You're deliberately mischaracterizing the situation (pre-alpha, lot of 
> effort, etc.), so I'm not going to bother responding to the rest, I'm annoyed 
> enough as is.
> 
> Ralf
> 
> P.S. if anyone wants to spend some productive energy on the build situation, 
> MSVC 2010 support for Python 3.x would be nice: 
> https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/4245
> 
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