Thanks, David, Charlie, etc. This is all really helpful. It would be great to see the wikipedia page updated as a community initiative. I'm happy to provide feedback on any text if that would be helpful. (David, to answer your question, the term HTM is not used by Dileep and Vicarious. I believe they use the term RCN or Recursive Cortical Networks.)
--Subutai On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matthew Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Charlie, that's very helpful. > > I'll make sure Jeff and Subutai are aware of this initiative and see > if we want to get involved in any way. We have curated the Numenta > Wikipedia article in the past, but I'm not sure we want to "approve" > edits to the HTM article. I agree that the Wikipedia process should > take care of itself. > > --------- > Matt Taylor > OS Community Flag-Bearer > Numenta > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 2:47 PM, CHARLES GILLINGHAM <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I guess I should say one more thing, just to be absolute direct: if you > want > > to say something nice about Numenta in Wikipedia, the right way to do it > is > > this: find a major magazine, newspaper or book that says something nice > > about Numenta, paraphrase that and add a little footnote pointing the the > > article. > > > > On Sep 7, 2015, at 5:43 PM, CHARLES GILLINGHAM <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > The right way to proceed is just to drop new content into the article, > and > > let the Wikipedia process work. Approval from Numenta is unnecessary — > the > > process will insure that Numenta’s interests are served. > > > > The most important Wikipedia policies that apply are these: > > > > (1) Everything in Wikipedia should be attributed to reliable sources, > such > > as prominent newspapers, published books, major news outlets, etc., > (unless > > it is something so obvious that it is “unlikely to be challenged”). The > > footnotes in Wikipedia articles are there to provide verification (unlike > > academic footnotes, which provide clarification or attribution). They are > > there to prove that this isn’t something you just made up. > > > > (2) The subject of an article is not allowed to edit the article; e.g., > no > > one who works from Numenta should edit the article about Numenta. This > is to > > avoid self-promotion and self-protection. Wikipedia aspires to a > “Neutral > > Point of View”, and the assumption is that this is impossible when you > are > > writing about yourself. Anything that even appears to be self promotion > > (regardless of who contributed it) will be deleted when it is noticed. > > > > (3) Wikipedia’s editors are encouraged to “be bold”. Wikipedia is always > a > > “work in progress”. Editors are expected to post drafts directly in the > > encyclopedia and let others help edit them. > > > > (4) Once an article is written, it belongs to the community. The article > > will go through many changes after you write it — some will improve the > > article, some will weaken it. Some will be from people who disagree with > > your point of view. Any dispute is resolved by providing more sources and > > better sources. > > > > I edited Wikipedia extensively several years ago, but retired some time > ago. > > The only time-consuming part is doing the research — i.e. finding > reliable > > sources that back up what you want to write. If someone else can do this > > part, I’d be happy to handle the technical side (i.e. building nice > looking > > footnotes, flattening the tone, etc.), > > > > At Wikipedia, I’m [[User:CharlesGillingham]], if you want to contact me > > there. > > > > On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Rohan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi David > > > > Totally agree that the wiki needs updating. As someone who stumbled > across > > On Intelligence two months ago, bridging the gap between the book release > > and where we stand today as well as key milestones between then and now > has > > been arduous and required much research across a variety of sites. > > > > Happy to help if I can be of assistance. > > > > Also, as someone fresh to the area I'd typically prefer content > > authenticated via Numenta over a public wiki contributers' > interpretation. > > The challenge is who at Numenta could manage the authenticiation process? > > > > Rohan > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 10:17 AM, cogmission (David Ray) > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi George, > >> > >> I'm trying to avoid the modified text being made public before it > adheres > >> to an adequate qualitative standard as determined by Numenta > designates. I'm > >> not familiar with the editing procedure of Wikipedia (this will be my > first > >> contribution) - but I'm assuming there must be some attempt to have > >> submitted text be "authenticated" by the domain experts (those that are > >> being written about or accepted authorities on the topic)? I'm not > sure... > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:35 AM, CHARLES GILLINGHAM < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> There's no need to develop the page outside of Wikipedia. Just make > >>> changes directly to the Wikipedia pages at any time. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:48 AM, cogmission (David Ray) > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Simply put, I would like to see the wikipedia listing for Hierarchical > >>> Temporal Memory improved and brought up to date. > >>> > >>> Problems: > >>> The current listing has several inaccuracies regarding the current > state > >>> of HTM Theory; does not reflect the historical evolution of the > theory; and > >>> instead, superimposes the historical/older version's origins with newer > >>> developments creating a cognitive mishmash of indistinct informational > >>> attributes. > >>> > >>> Solution: > >>> I would like to see the current page/listing accurately describe the > >>> events following the publishing of "On Intelligence"; the formation of > >>> Numenta; and the eventual split between approaches favored by Dileep > George, > >>> and Jeff Hawkins. I propose that coverage of Dileep George and his > company > >>> Vicarious link to another page that those in that camp can more fully > >>> enhance at their will - and the rest of the listing then proceed to > describe > >>> the development of the Cortical Learning Algorithm and the more current > >>> focus of Numenta et al. > >>> > >>> Unknowns: > >>> 1. Is the term "Hierarchical Temporal Memory" currently used by Dileep > >>> George and Vicarious? > >>> > >>> Process: > >>> Once this proposal has been honed such that it reflects a satisfactory > >>> approach and direction; that the current listing text be incrementally > and > >>> iteratively modified, then submitted for approval - each submission's > >>> approval representing an interactive improvement of the entire text > until > >>> such time as it is considered to be an accurate representation. This > entire > >>> process is to proceed "offline" (not posted to wikipedia until > finished). > >>> > >>> I propose this iterative approach because it will make things easier > >>> (initially for me specifically, but maybe by a "team" of people who > would > >>> like to participate - I encourage this). Advantages: > >>> > >>> 1. the text updates can be made in small increments as knowledge is > >>> acquired seeing as the "implementing team" doesn't possess the whole > story. > >>> [ Again, the "implementing team" will be initially composed of myself > but is > >>> wide open to other community contributors ;-) ] > >>> > >>> 2. Submissions of small changes won't take much time to "validate" and > >>> turn around time can be more "immediate" leading to a quicker > process.This > >>> will consume negligible time on the part of the validator, increasing > >>> willingness and therefore the process' general momentum. > >>> > >>> What does everyone think? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> David > >>> > >>> -- > >>> With kind regards, > >>> > >>> David Ray > >>> Java Solutions Architect > >>> > >>> Cortical.io > >>> Sponsor of: HTM.java > >>> > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://cortical.io > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> David Ray > >> Java Solutions Architect > >> > >> Cortical.io > >> Sponsor of: HTM.java > >> > >> [email protected] > >> http://cortical.io > > > > > > > > > >
