@Ian That may explain why PHP is continuing to be the dominant languages of choice - despite its glaringly obvious failings. If I could only find a Ruby based employer to help me shake off PHP for good, I'd be happy.
In the London tech scene at least PHP is deffo not the language of choice anymore for new build stuff. + loads of PHP teams are switching over to Ruby. Everything new is now Rails/Django with a few companies using Node. @everyone Are Ruby mid-level salaries REALLY that high? If so, what is a junior salary average and is anyone on the look-out for a Ruby convert (8+ years as a PHP, ~6 months Ruby/RoR)? Depends on how we define junior & location. If we define a junior as 1-2 years of commercial experience its £40k in London, £30k in a competitive markets (Manchester, Sheffield, Edinburgh (anywhere with more than a few ruby teams competing for developers)) and £20k in an area where there’s only one ruby using company in town. Ruby Convert PHP -> Ruby with 8 years PHP & 6 Months Ruby. Depends on the quality of the PHP experience. If its hard core OO PHP and working in frameworks which lend themselves well to Ruby then you’re more marketable then a 8 years PHP developer whos just been doing cookie cutter repetitive stuff. If the 6 months experience is quality commercial experience then that makes you more marketable then if you’ve been doing repetitive low level ruby coding in a commercial context. 1 year of commercial experience is when you become really marketable but it all depends on how talented you are and how quickly you can pick up rails, which in turn is determined by what you were doing with PHP before Rails and your natural aptitude. If your junior or converting, as long as you work hard you can get onto the ladder eventually. Once you have a decent commercial Ruby job you’re looking at a £10k a year pay rise until you hit senior when you can contract at good money as long as you’re flexible on location. -- Phil On 9 April 2014 20:15, Ian Moss <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: plus those salaries assume you want to work remote which is certainly not for all. i've had issues trying to find companies that want 2 developers who are co-located together, but remote from the client / company who want you. My ideal would be an office based small team and a quiet environment. Anyone else up for joining forces for such an endevour? I think the main risk at those salary levels is companies not being able to get a return on their investment in the medium term, and picking devs in other languages. which would be a shame. -- Ian Moss http://facebook.com/196Destinations http://196Destinations.com - your flight bucket list. http://twitter.com/oceanician http://startupdigest.com/manchester http://www.linkedin.com/in/alteris ----- Original message ----- From: Ash Moran <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> " <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NWRUG] The Skinny (Music/Culture Magazine) looking for RoR Developer Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:30:16 +0100 On 7 Apr 2014, at 10:42, Louis Goff-Beardsley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > I'm currently placing > senior remote developers at £72k and mid-level at £50-60k so these guys > really have no chance. There doesn’t seem to be much financial incentive to contract these days then? Ash -- http://www.patchspace.co.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashmoran Email had 1 attachment: + smime.p7s 6k (application/pkcs7-signature) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NWRUG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:nwrug-members%[email protected]> . To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nwrug-members. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NWRUG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nwrug-members. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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