No. It's all dependent on the providers terms of service, which defines what you are buying and paying for. You have the option of not buying if you don't agree. For example, suppose I want to buy an internet connection to send unsolicited commercial email in mass mailings to millions of people? Do you think that will be tolerated for long? Suppose I wish to host a porn web site on my connection? In each of these cases I will be in violation of most providers' TOS. Jim
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Christopher Mc Carthy > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read > this from the SBCchief > > > Or put another way - what if the cable company has their own > search page > - but you want to use Google. Should you have to pay to use that? > > Or your favourite news site? > > I always thought you were paying for a connection to the > net, and for a certain amount of bandwidth capacity. What > you do with it (surfing, > VoIP) is up to you isn't it? > > Christopher MC CARTHY > Technical Communicator > CertEx > GL TRADE Headquarters > 42 Rue Notre Dame des Victoires > F-75002 Paris > +33 1 53 40 00 00 (switchboard) > +33 1 53 40 01 16 (direct line) > www.gltrade.com > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:38:40 -0500 > From: Dana Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read this from > the SBC chief > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > Jim, > > What makes VoIP so special? > > Certainly, if SBC provides VoIP, they should make an attractive > package for their customers. But in the end, their subscribers are > just buying bandwidth in bulk month over month. What gives SBC the > right to treat one IP based service in particular as special? > Its all > just IP packets. And what gives SBC the right to inspect these > packets at their discretion? > > This would be like your bank or credit card company inquiring about > what you are purchasing with your money, and furthermore telling you > that you can't purchase other financial services with your money > because they already provide them. > > What if you want to use a VoIP provider that emails you your > voicemails, while SBC makes you dial in via your home phone only to > get them? Shouldn't you have the right to choose what service you > want to use? > > Dana Spiegel > Executive Director > NYCwireless > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.NYCwireless.net > +1 917 402 0422 > > Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info > > > On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:18 PM, Jim Henry wrote: > > > I can certainly agreee with not allowing other voip providers to > > traverse > > your network at no charge, especially if your company provides voice > > services. To a lesser extent I can agree with restricting anything > > you wish > > as long as you put it in your Terms of Service ahead of time. > > However, I > > don't think the latter strategy will survive in a free > market. If this > > fellow actually said he wants to charge for every web page view > > that travels > > SBC's network then I think he is being irrational and will not > > succeed at > > it. > > Jim > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:43 AM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Cc: 'Dustin Goodwin'; [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read > this from > >> the SBC chief > >> > >> > >> We should be clear about this. > >> > >> What Mr. Witacre is intending is not just to charge you > and me (which > >> he already does), but to charge each and every single company that > >> provides us a web page. > >> > >> Frankly, I think he's smoking something. In addition to being > >> impossible to manage such a scheme from a contract and > payment point > >> of view, the only way to maintain it is to collude with the other > >> backbone providers. > >> > >> This is not to say he won't try, nor that we aren't moving > >> dangerously close to monopoly power with broadband--both cable/dsl > >> and backbone (we have been racing towards this for some time now). > >> > >> What Dustin is suggesting is to head this off at the pass. > Instead of > >> just ignoring this lunatic (Mr. Witacre), we should use this as a > >> rallying cry to ensure that the foundations of the > >> Internet--and this > >> _is_ about SBC trying to change the fundamental operations of the > >> Internet--remain uncorrupted by corporate greed and monopolistic > >> practices. > >> > >> Dana Spiegel > >> Executive Director > >> NYCwireless > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> www.NYCwireless.net > >> +1 917 402 0422 > >> > >> Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info > > > > This email communication is confidential and is intended > solely for whom it is addressed. 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