Nope.
UCE is already being sent by a large number of ISP subscribers who's
computers have been turned into spam zombies. Even if you _chose_ to
do this, you would be required to follow the law on this. Even if you
were following the law completely, the ISP might have legitimate
reason to prevent you from being a spammer due to the fact that the
volume of your network and services use is damaging both their
network service and the experience of other subscribers. If you were
sending out a trickle (hundreds/thousands of emails per hour) such
that you weren't damaging the resources of the ISP, and you were
following both the law and common sense such that the ISP doesn't
receive complaints, then the ISP has no reasonable reason for
preventing you from doing what you are doing.
In the case of the porn website, you also have to follow the law on
this one. There's copyright for one, and requirements that you
protect minors from accessing such a service. If your porn site were
so popular that it received significant traffic, then the ISP might
again consider that you are damaging their service and the service of
their other customers.
Regardless, neither of these instances are even close to what SBC is
suggesting they want to do. Nor are they anything but extreme fringe
cases for the concept of Network Neutrality. And even then, Network
Neutrality is the concept that no general carrier of internet packets
has the right to filter, limit, or inspect the packets that cross
their networks based on the content or origin of those packets.
Besides, I pay for my internet connection. Some of that money goes
towards peering agreements Covad has with other big ISPs, and pays
for transport over large backbone providers as well. Google pays for
their network connectivity (I'm sure they buy in bulk!), which
similarly trickles down the network provider chain to reimburse all
of the networks for transport already.
So, who the hell is SBC to say that just because they own a
significant chunk of the pipeline, they get to charge more for their
transport? And on both sides, no less?
Dana Spiegel
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On Nov 2, 2005, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henry wrote:
No. It's all dependent on the providers terms of service, which
defines what
you are buying and paying for. You have the option of not buying if
you
don't agree. For example, suppose I want to buy an internet
connection to
send unsolicited commercial email in mass mailings to millions of
people? Do
you think that will be tolerated for long? Suppose I wish to host
a porn
web site on my connection? In each of these cases I will be in
violation of
most providers' TOS.
Jim
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Of Christopher Mc Carthy
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Or put another way - what if the cable company has their own
search page
- but you want to use Google. Should you have to pay to use that?
Or your favourite news site?
I always thought you were paying for a connection to the
net, and for a certain amount of bandwidth capacity. What
you do with it (surfing,
VoIP) is up to you isn't it?
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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:38:40 -0500
From: Dana Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read this from
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Jim,
What makes VoIP so special?
Certainly, if SBC provides VoIP, they should make an attractive
package for their customers. But in the end, their subscribers are
just buying bandwidth in bulk month over month. What gives SBC the
right to treat one IP based service in particular as special?
Its all
just IP packets. And what gives SBC the right to inspect these
packets at their discretion?
This would be like your bank or credit card company inquiring about
what you are purchasing with your money, and furthermore telling you
that you can't purchase other financial services with your money
because they already provide them.
What if you want to use a VoIP provider that emails you your
voicemails, while SBC makes you dial in via your home phone only to
get them? Shouldn't you have the right to choose what service you
want to use?
Dana Spiegel
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On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:18 PM, Jim Henry wrote:
I can certainly agreee with not allowing other voip providers to
traverse
your network at no charge, especially if your company provides voice
services. To a lesser extent I can agree with restricting anything
you wish
as long as you put it in your Terms of Service ahead of time.
However, I
don't think the latter strategy will survive in a free
market. If this
fellow actually said he wants to charge for every web page view
that travels
SBC's network then I think he is being irrational and will not
succeed at
it.
Jim
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From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Dustin Goodwin'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read
this from
the SBC chief
We should be clear about this.
What Mr. Witacre is intending is not just to charge you
and me (which
he already does), but to charge each and every single company that
provides us a web page.
Frankly, I think he's smoking something. In addition to being
impossible to manage such a scheme from a contract and
payment point
of view, the only way to maintain it is to collude with the other
backbone providers.
This is not to say he won't try, nor that we aren't moving
dangerously close to monopoly power with broadband--both cable/dsl
and backbone (we have been racing towards this for some time now).
What Dustin is suggesting is to head this off at the pass.
Instead of
just ignoring this lunatic (Mr. Witacre), we should use this as a
rallying cry to ensure that the foundations of the
Internet--and this
_is_ about SBC trying to change the fundamental operations of the
Internet--remain uncorrupted by corporate greed and monopolistic
practices.
Dana Spiegel
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NYCwireless
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