On 1/13/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am tired of this conservative bashing. I am leaving this list!! > g b all >
Don't cut and run. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband > > > > Jim, > > > > This is my last response to you, because you seem to be doing what > > many right-wing politicians are quite good at: changing the subject. > > > > This shouldn't be a discussion about whether the municipal networks > > are going to work or not. I dare-say that common sense tells us that > > some number will be successful, and some number will not. How you > > evaluate their outcomes relies almost entirely on your point of view. > > > > The real, fundamental problem is that America has slow, expensive, > > and only partially available broadband when compared to just about > > every other industrialized nation. This is especially embarrassing > > considering that we invented the damn technology, and nurtured it for > > its first two decades. > > > > This is a _fact_. No amount of hewing and hawing, or dancing around > > the subject will change this. > > > > Another fact: our sorry state of broadband has occurred over the past > > 5 years. A period of time when Conservative Republicans have been > > running this country and calling (almost) all of the shots. > > > > So, there arise really two questions (which you seem to be entirely > > unable to answer and which is why, I suspect, you'd rather change the > > subject): > > > > 1) Why is the state of broadband in America so awful? > > and > > 2) What are you going to do about it? > > > > This is less a question for you directly, but rather a question for > > those in charge of this Country. > > > > And the answer _isn't_ more competition in the future and a more open > > marketplace with fewer regulations. THAT is an end result of good > > policy-making. I want to know what we're doing that's failing, and > > what we should be doing instead. If we put in place good policy, more > > competition in a healthy marketplace will happen by itself. > > > > And I'm not pro-muniwireless or anti-muniwireless, or left-wing or > > right-wing, or even Republican or Democrat. I'm an independent. > > > > Dana Spiegel > > Executive Director > > NYCwireless > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.NYCwireless.net > > +1 917 402 0422 > > > > Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Jim Henry wrote: > > > >> Dana, > >> I've read the article you reference, and, like the one I > >> provided a link > >> to, it is interesting. They make some good points. However, like > >> the PFF > >> paper, it's an advocacy document. I found no mention of municipalities > >> failing, or at least not doing as well, as commercial enterprises in > >> delivering critical services. There are certainly examples, such as > >> Philadelphia's PGW or NYC's water utility (nowhere near as bad as > >> PGW I'm > >> sure, but failing to meter water is still pretty bad). No mention of a > >> possible negative outcome from a municipal offering. > >> I am not too familiar with freepress.net but from checking their > >> web > >> site, even though they claim to be non-partisan the stories they > >> offer seem > >> to be coming from a leftist point of view. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >>> Of Dana Spiegel > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Cc: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim, > >>> > >>> Perhaps you should do a bit more research. > >>> > >>> The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations > >>> of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda. > >>> > >>> Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story, > >>> and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are > >>> overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities. > >>> > >>> http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_white_paper.pdf > >>> > >>> Also, PFF's supporters include (and are primarily) every incumbent > >>> telecom and cable company: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html > >>> > >>> While this isn't a problem in and of itself, it should make you > >>> wonder where their views and motivations are coming from. > >>> > >>> > >>> Dana Spiegel > >>> Executive Director > >>> NYCwireless > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> www.NYCwireless.net > >>> +1 917 402 0422 > >>> > >>> Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Jim Henry wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here's an interesting study on government going into the telecom > >>>> business. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.pff.org/issues-pubs/pops/pop11.3govtownership.pdf > >>>> > >>>> Jim > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >>>> Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/ > >>>> nycwireless/ > >>>> Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > >>> > >>> -- > >>> NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >>> Un/Subscribe: > >>> http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > >>> Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release > >>> Date: 1/5/2006 > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
