Photographers are clearly muggles, but the birding community has its share of deatheaters.
Will Raup Albany, NY Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it From: jacobdruc...@msn.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500 CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com; peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu To: fpimen...@verizon.net When will Harry Potter fans get involved in this discussion? Jacob On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote:Dan, The problem with your suggestion is the potential danger of creating a kind of "birding war" that would not help to solve any problem but may create new ones, including potentially violent encounters in the field that we must avoid. More productive could be the development of some flexible guidelines by some local groups (like the Audubon society) about what birders or bird photographers should do and not do in the field. Codes of ethics are by definition general moral principles. In my humble opinion the best policy is self-restraint and a good sense of personal responsibility. There are issues that will never be solved. For example, the issue of "disturbing" birds or approaching birds. Maybe for a particular birder being too close to a bird means 50 feet away while for others may be only 30. Massive birding by definition is a potential disturbance for many birds. When you have 60 bird watchers congregated on the same spot that could create be more disturbance than a single photographer taking pictures of the same bird even at a closer distance. What I am trying to say is that things cannot be one-dimensional and that practical common sense cannot be like the Ten Commandments (for those who are believers), written in stone.FP On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Gregory Fisher wrote: Hey Dan, I am fine with that as long as you at least try to educate the individuals exhibiting the poor behavior. Some people are just ignorant and just need a little guidance. Yesterday's example by Adam is a prime example. You approach them, try to considerately educate them. When they resist and blow you off then communicate to others. Everyone deserves a fair shake. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Dan <peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com> Sent: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM To: Gregory Fisher <gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com> Cc: "<nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>" <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>, NY BIRDS Cornell <NYSBirds-l@Cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it Let's all take photos of photographers that misbehave. Be SURE to post them to the appropriate listserve. If you see that photographer enter their vehicle, try to photograph the make and model and the license plate number too :) Good birding! Dan Furbish peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
