Juvenile ravens form winter groups, Heinrich conducted a fascinating field 
study to find out why.  I won't spoil the suspense for those who haven't read 
it. Better than a Ludlum novel, highly recommended 

Rick 


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From: Lynn Bergmeyer <lynnbergme...@gmail.com> 
Date:12/02/2017  7:27 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: "& [NYSBIRDS]" <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu> 
Cc:  
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l digest: December 02, 2017 

What exactly does "winter nonbreeder group" mean?

On Dec 2, 2017 12:08 AM, "& [NYSBIRDS] digest" <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
wrote:

> NYSBIRDS-L Digest for Saturday, December 02, 2017.
>
> 1. The Egret
> 2. =?UTF-8?Q?Hammond=E2=80=99s_Flycatcher=2D_YES?=
> 3. =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtlYmlyZHNueWNdIEhhbW1vbmTigJlzIEZseWNhdGNoZXItIFlFUw==
> ?=
> 4. =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[ebirdsnyc]_Hammond=E2=80=99s_Flycatcher-_YES?=
> 5. Breezy Point Lingering Migrants 11-29
> 6. =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[nysbirds-l]_Hammond=E2=80=99s_Flycatcher-_YES?=
> 7. Prothonotary Warbler - Yes
> 8. Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> 9. RE: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> 10. RE: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> 11. Re: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> 12. NYS eBird Hotspots: State, Counties & Locations Updated (Dec/'17)
> 13. Re: Prothonotary Warbler - Yes
> 14. Re: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> 15. RBA Buffalo Bird Report 01 Dec 2017
> 16. NYC/Long Island Rarity Roundup This Weekend
> 17. Re: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> 18. NYC Area RBA: 1 December 2017
> 19. Ramble Map with Named Locations
> 20. Re: Ramble Map with Named Locations
> 21. Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: Ramble Map with Named Locations
> 22. Re: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: The Egret
> From: Larry Trachtenberg <trachtenb...@amsllp.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 13:07:20 +0000
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
>
> I'd like to share a  passage from a wonderful novel I recently read, "The
> Yellow Birds" by Kevin Powers, which takes its place alongside Tim Obrien's
> "The Things They Carried", Mailer's "The Naked and the Dead", and
> Remarque's "All Quiet on the Western Front"  -- this time the setting is
> the Iraq war. The protagonist is by a stream near his Richmond, VA home --
> it's an magical experience most birders have had or at least can envision
> with a large wader but just can't express nearly as well:
>
> "My feet were in the water, and the river ran docilely by and I was hardly
> a speck on the landscape and I was glad. An egret flew just over my
> shoulder and skimmed the water so close and I thought there was no way a
> body could be so close to the edge of a thing and stay there and be in
> control. But the tips of its wings skimmed along the water just the same.
> The egret didn't seem to mind what I believed, and it tilted some and
> disappeared into the glare of the gone sun and it was full of grace."
>
> I see that Brett Bonkamp's brilliant bit of Hammond's flycatcher satire
> has been censored from the archives. Thus, it seems that when posting
> especially as the Holidays approach and an insane 2017 comes to a close --
> and while I enjoy a good put down as much as the next person -- perhaps we
> should all give a listen once again to John Prine's "People Putting People
> Down". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY0VmRR8FHU  Or better yet, spend
> some time admiring his amazing canon listening to Sam Stone, (apropos the
> war novels, I guess), Hello in There, Souvenirs, Paradise, Angel from
> Montgomery or Lake Marie.
>
> Good flycatchers to all.
>
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining
>
>
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> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Hammond=E2=80=99s_Flycatcher=2D_YES?=
> From: Anders Peltomaa <anders.pelto...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:05:55 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> 9:46am Hammonds at maintenance south end #birdcp via @raikbar
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> It's Continuing. Start weekend planning upstaters...
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> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:37:47 +0000
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> Anders and wonder dog Bonnie will have the bird waiting on all of the
> upstaters early tomorrow morning!
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> It's Continuing. Start weekend planning upstaters...
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> Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[ebirdsnyc]_Hammond=E2=80=99s_Flycatcher-_YES?=
> From: Michael Zito <michaelz...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:58:03 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 4
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> Azalea pond right now.
> mike z
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> > Anders and wonder dog Bonnie will have the bird waiting on all of the
> upstaters early tomorrow morning!
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> [ebirdsnyc] <ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Breezy Point Lingering Migrants 11-29
> From: Andrew Baksh <birdingd...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:19:02 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> A late ones still hanging in there at Breezy and with various the CBCs
> closing in, it will be interesting to see what else might be uncovered
> given the recent weather.
>
> NORTHERN PARULA  (1) - could it be the same bird I had on 10-8?
>
> Orange-crowned Warbler (2) - seems to be a good year for them.
>
> WHITE-EYED VIREO (1)
>
> Cheers,
> --------
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> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
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> > Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
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> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[nysbirds-l]_Hammond=E2=80=99s_Flycatcher-_YES?=
> From: Robert Lewis <rfer...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
>
> Great news!  I expect to be there by about 1:30 today.  I hope to see lots
> of other birders!
> Bob LewisSleepy Hollow NY
>
>
>     On Friday, December 1, 2017, 10:58:17 AM EST, Michael Zito <
> michaelz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Azalea pond right now.
> mike z
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 10:37 AM, nathan o'reilly natro...@hotmail.com
> [ebirdsnyc] <ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Anders and wonder dog Bonnie will have the bird waiting on all of the
> upstaters early tomorrow morning!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Anders Peltomaa anders.pelto...@gmail.com
> [ebirdsnyc] <ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> 9:46am Hammonds at maintenance south end #birdcp via @raikbar
>
> It's Continuing. Start weekend planning upstaters...
>
> Anders Peltomaa
>
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: Prothonotary Warbler - Yes
> From: Eileen Schwinn <beach...@optonline.net>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:34:12 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 7
>
> The Suffolk County Farm, Yaphank, Prothonotary Warbler is currently being
> seen, feeding, in the area between the machine storage area and the
> concrete building, located just south of the pig sty.
> Eileen Schwinn
> Mike Higgiston
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> Subject: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> From: Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:42:42 +0000
> X-Message-Number: 8
>
> Watching a Prothonotary Warbler flying around me in low, repeated zig-zags
> over open ground on 1 December wasn't the most unusual thing I saw this
> morning at the Suffolk County Farm in Yaphank, Suffolk County, Long Island.
>
> Pat had seen a couple of Common Ravens before I arrived and wanted me to
> see them. "There's a raven," she said, "with those crows." Raising our
> binoculars, we came to the same shocking realization simultaneously:
> "They're ALL ravens!"
>
> A flock of more than 30 Common Ravens rose above the treeline to the south
> of property; I counted 23 at one point, and Pat counted 30 at another, but
> there were clearly more based on the way that portions of the flock dipped
> in and out of sight. One of my photos shows at least 21 in the frame. The
> group gradually dispersed westward and southward, but ten or more were
> still visible at times over the next hour or so, including when Derek
> Rogers stopped by to see if I was ok.
>
> Prior to this I wasn't aware that Common Ravens occurred in flocks larger
> than a family group, even in places where they are common (except maybe
> along salmon runs in Alaska), and I would have thought that 30 was about
> right for the total population on all of Long Island.
>
> Perhaps there is an overnight roost there or nearby, to be worked out.
>
> The statuses of Long Island Corvus have changed beyond recognition.
> Whereas we used to have Twa Corbies, with brachrhynchos vastly outnumbering
> ossifragus, now there are Trois--and nowadays a count of 30 American Crows
> would be quite notable anywhere on western LI.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> From: Rick <rc...@nyc.rr.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 14:53:28 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 9
>
> On larger raven flocks (probably juvenile "gangs") See Bernd Heinrich's
> excellent "Ravens in Winter" (1989).
>
> Rick
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>
> Date:12/01/2017  2:42 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> To: "NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)" <NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>
> Cc:
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk
> Co., LI
>
> Watching a Prothonotary Warbler flying around me in low, repeated zig-zags
> over open ground on 1 December wasn't the most unusual thing I saw this
> morning at the Suffolk County Farm in Yaphank, Suffolk County, Long Island.
>
> Pat had seen a couple of Common Ravens before I arrived and wanted me to
> see them. "There's a raven," she said, "with those crows." Raising our
> binoculars, we came to the same shocking realization simultaneously:
> "They're ALL ravens!"
>
> A flock of more than 30 Common Ravens rose above the treeline to the south
> of property; I counted 23 at one point, and Pat counted 30 at another, but
> there were clearly more based on the way that portions of the flock dipped
> in and out of sight. One of my photos shows at least 21 in the frame. The
> group gradually dispersed westward and southward, but ten or more were
> still visible at times over the next hour or so, including when Derek
> Rogers stopped by to see if I was ok.
>
> Prior to this I wasn't aware that Common Ravens occurred in flocks larger
> than a family group, even in places where they are common (except maybe
> along salmon runs in Alaska), and I would have thought that 30 was about
> right for the total population on all of Long Island.
>
> Perhaps there is an overnight roost there or nearby, to be worked out.
>
> The statuses of Long Island Corvus have changed beyond recognition.
> Whereas we used to have Twa Corbies, with brachrhynchos vastly outnumbering
> ossifragus, now there are Trois--and nowadays a count of 30 American Crows
> would be quite notable anywhere on western LI.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
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> Subject: RE: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> From: "Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 20:19:23 +0000
> X-Message-Number: 10
>
> Undoubtedly a winter non-breeder group. I remember less than a decade ago
> my first encounter in the state with such a group in eastern Cortland
> County. I realized that there were now enough ravens breeding in New York
> that the juveniles could find each other. Looks like that might be true in
> your area now.
>
> Kevin McGowan
> Ithaca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-122096022-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-122096022-
> 3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
> Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:43 PM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk
> Co., LI
>
> Watching a Prothonotary Warbler flying around me in low, repeated zig-zags
> over open ground on 1 December wasn't the most unusual thing I saw this
> morning at the Suffolk County Farm in Yaphank, Suffolk County, Long Island.
>
> Pat had seen a couple of Common Ravens before I arrived and wanted me to
> see them. "There's a raven," she said, "with those crows." Raising our
> binoculars, we came to the same shocking realization simultaneously:
> "They're ALL ravens!"
>
> A flock of more than 30 Common Ravens rose above the treeline to the south
> of property; I counted 23 at one point, and Pat counted 30 at another, but
> there were clearly more based on the way that portions of the flock dipped
> in and out of sight. One of my photos shows at least 21 in the frame. The
> group gradually dispersed westward and southward, but ten or more were
> still visible at times over the next hour or so, including when Derek
> Rogers stopped by to see if I was ok.
>
> Prior to this I wasn't aware that Common Ravens occurred in flocks larger
> than a family group, even in places where they are common (except maybe
> along salmon runs in Alaska), and I would have thought that 30 was about
> right for the total population on all of Long Island.
>
> Perhaps there is an overnight roost there or nearby, to be worked out.
>
> The statuses of Long Island Corvus have changed beyond recognition.
> Whereas we used to have Twa Corbies, with brachrhynchos vastly outnumbering
> ossifragus, now there are Trois--and nowadays a count of 30 American Crows
> would be quite notable anywhere on western LI.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
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> Subject: Re: Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI
> From: Andrew Block <ablock22...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 20:25:01 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Message-Number: 11
>
> Nice sighting.  It is very rare for around here to see so many in a flock,
> but out West they are frequently seen in medium sized flocks sometimes much
> larger usually at a feeding site such as a dead large mammal.  I have
> personally seen a flock of 80-100 in Unity, Maine, back in the mid 80's
> flying over the Unity College campus.  It blew my mind when I realized they
> were ravens.  It's so great to have them around here.
> Andrew Andrew v. F. Block
> Consulting Naturalist
> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4629
> Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 914-319-9701
> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums
>
>       From: Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>
>  To: "NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)" <NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>
>  Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:43 PM
>  Subject: [nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk
> Co., LI
>
> Watching a Prothonotary Warbler flying around me in low, repeated zig-zags
> over open ground on 1 December wasn't the most unusual thing I saw this
> morning at the Suffolk County Farm in Yaphank, Suffolk County, Long Island.
>
> Pat had seen a couple of Common Ravens before I arrived and wanted me to
> see them. "There's a raven," she said, "with those crows." Raising our
> binoculars, we came to the same shocking realization simultaneously:
> "They're ALL ravens!"
>
> A flock of more than 30 Common Ravens rose above the treeline to the south
> of property; I counted 23 at one point, and Pat counted 30 at another, but
> there were clearly more based on the way that portions of the flock dipped
> in and out of sight. One of my photos shows at least 21 in the frame. The
> group gradually dispersed westward and southward, but ten or more were
> still visible at times over the next hour or so, including when Derek
> Rogers stopped by to see if I was ok.
>
> Prior to this I wasn't aware that Common Ravens occurred in flocks larger
> than a family group, even in places where they are common (except maybe
> along salmon runs in Alaska), and I would have thought that 30 was about
> right for the total population on all of Long Island.
>
> Perhaps there is an overnight roost there or nearby, to be worked out.
>
> The statuses of Long Island Corvus have changed beyond recognition.
> Whereas we used to have Twa Corbies, with brachrhynchos vastly outnumbering
> ossifragus, now there are Trois--and nowadays a count of 30 American Crows
> would be quite notable anywhere on western LI.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
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> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
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> Subject: NYS eBird Hotspots: State, Counties & Locations Updated (Dec/'17)
> From: Ben Cacace <bcac...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:44:31 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 12
>
> Thanks to @Team_eBird for their dedication to keeping eBird.org running
> smoothly and for the group of New York State hotspot moderators for their
> time reviewing shared location suggestions.
>
> The wiki page site was developed to access data on eBird.org and in places
> it includes additional links to birding resources at the county and
> location levels. If you have any suggestions for additional links please
> send them to me off list.
>
> All County pages currently have links for the Illustrated Checklists and
> links to both Images and Audio from the Macaulay Library.If useful let me
> know and I'll add these to the location level pages.
>
> *Species totals* have been updated for all county pages. This includes the
> total number of species with an equivalent color code highlighting the
> county name based on colors used on eBird maps. The alphabetical list of
> counties on the main page has been updated with total spp. #.
>
> *Hotspot pages*: All location pages have been updated on the wiki. These
> include 821 pages representing a total of 1,686 out of 5,948 hotspots
> (28.4%). Updates involve *# of species and color codings* based on species
> # along with updated 2017 periods on the bar chart tables displaying the:
>
> • Current Month: Dec./2017
> • Prior Month: Nov./2017
> • the current two month period Nov.-Dec./2017
> • along with the current year: 2017.

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ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

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