Hi Bob and all, Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:
https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright yellow below. Best, Shai ________________________________________ From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA Hi Shai et al., No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler. Bob Paxfon On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block <ablock22...@yahoo.com<mailto:ablock22...@yahoo.com>> wrote: Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing the photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure. But the MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too. I'd lean towards an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in this instance. I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one. Andrew Andrew v. F. Block Consulting Naturalist 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3<https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705&entry=gmail&source=g> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705<https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705&entry=gmail&source=g>-4629 Phone: 914-963-3080<tel:(914)%20963-3080>; Cell: 914-319-9701<tel:(914)%20319-9701> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums<http://www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums> ________________________________ From: Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu<mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> To: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA Hi Cesar and all, Very cool-looking bird! I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe. Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected to resemble. Shai Mitra Bay Shore ________________________________________ From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu> [bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu>] on behalf of Cesar Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com<mailto:czar3...@yahoo.com>] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA Dear All, I have posted the original images on flicker. I have not messed with the photos except in increasing their sharpness. I can see how this could be an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence. The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below. Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it. I attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find food elsewhere. OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986827/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986827/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986547/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986547/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760549/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760549/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986907/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986907/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986617/in/dateposted-public/> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986617/in/dateposted-public/> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png] OCWA or MGWA Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017 César Una tarde la princesa vio una estrella aparecer; la princesa era traviesa y la quiso ir a coger. La quería para hacerla decorar un prendedor, con un verso y una perla, una pluma y una flor. Las princesas primorosas se parecen mucho a ti; cortan lirios, cortan rosas, cortan astros. 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