Hello everyone,

@Lombardo, Jeff<mailto:[email protected]> thanks for the shout out.
@Ron Bartor<mailto:[email protected]>, pleased to meet you 😊

One comment, OAuth 2.0 RAR Metadata and Error Remediation does not offer per-RS 
metadata discovery.
This idea was explored in earlier drafts:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-zehavi-oauth-rar-metadata-03.html#name-oauth-20-protected-resource

And removed following feedback from WG members.
The idea was add to RFC 9728 RS metadata:

    "authorization_details_types_required": {
        "oneOf": ["payment_initiation", "payment_approval",
                  "beneficiary_designation"]
    }

With Boolean expressions allOf, and, or.
This was deemed not very helpful as:

  *   Different resources have different requirements (but in MCP the resource 
is not expressed on the http path)
  *   Lots of logic which in the end doesn’t tell the client exactly which RAR 
types to request.

Then the next idea was include the Boolean logic in the WWW-Authenticate 
header. Opted instead to return the actionable RAR object to remediate the 
failure.

That being said, I think the task of RS-Gateways was made simpler.
They don’t need to have foreknowledge to combine downstream RS metadata.

Instead, client makes a request, a failing downstream RS may return the 
remediation payload. Gateway relays the calls without requiring additional 
metadata.

Yaron



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Hi Ron,

Speaking under the supervision of Yaron. I am not sure I follow the multi-RS 
decomposition problem you try to point at here.

draft-zehavi-oauth-rar-metadata now draft-ietf-oauth-rar-metadata-remediation 
[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-rar-metadata-remediation/] 
allows each RS to express the RAR-based mediated response along what the AS 
that has authority can speak in terms of RAR schema.

It means that it is up to each AS to normalize the mediated response, If 
brokered through an API Gateway, this is just adding another layer and it is 
now up to the Gateway / Broker to normalize it for its client.

As ID-JAG supports RAR, there could be an extension to Token Exchange to return 
a RAR remediation to ease this path.

Jeff


Jean-François “Jeff” Lombardo | Amazon Web Services

Principal Standards Specialist, Identity Services
Montréal, Canada

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Hi Dapeng, all,


I support continuing this direction and would like to contribute to the design 
team.



I wasn't in the room at 126, so apologies if this was covered, but I'd like to 
put one scenario on the table for the "goal state management" and "discoverable 
schema" pillars. I operate an enterprise API gateway that fronts MCP and agent 
traffic. A single agent request routinely fans out to several downstream 
resource servers, and each of those RSs owns its own authorization semantics: 
its own notion of what a task is, what the constraining attributes are, and how 
a request is scoped. Those semantics are not shared across services, and in 
some cases cannot be. A concrete example is an RS that was integrated from a 
separate business unit; its authorization model reflects its own history and is 
materially different from the rest of our services, and harmonizing it is 
neither quick nor, for some of its consumers, desirable.



In that setting, per-RS schema discovery (as in 
draft-zehavi-oauth-rar-metadata) solves the local problem but not the cross-RS 
one: the goal has to be carried across trust domains that are mutually opaque, 
and something has to decide whether each downstream task is still within the 
goal without any RS seeing the others' vocabulary. The slides put "task in 
goal" evaluation out of scope, which I understand, but I think the design team 
should at least be explicit about where that evaluation lives in a multi-RS 
decomposition (client, AS, gateway/intermediary, or each RS independently) and 
what the goal-state representation needs to look like so that it remains 
meaningful to an RS that only understands its own schema.



I'd be glad to write this up as a concrete use case, and I think it fits 
naturally with the RS-to-client signaling work already in the WG 
(txn-challenge, client-challenge, RAR-metadata) rather than requiring new 
machinery.



Best regards,

Ron Bar-Tor

On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 3:13 PM Iman Schrock 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:
Hi Dapeng,

I support continuing this work. One boundary I would like the design team to 
test: a goal-level authorization can help a client negotiate what an RS 
requires, but it is not approval of the eventual exact action. A changed 
payment destination after negotiation, or a lost response after provider entry, 
needs its own decision and recovery rule.

We have published 
AEB<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schrock-action-evidence-boundary/> 
and an open vector 
pack<https://github.com/emiliaprotocol/emilia-protocol/tree/main/conformance/aeb-1>
 for that boundary. I would be glad to bring a small cross-system case to the 
design team and see where it belongs alongside existing OAuth work.

Best,
Iman

On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:19:52 +0800, "战性éč(éčæˆ)" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:
Hello all, During IETF 126 we had a discussion on how OAuth can support 
fine-grained authorization for AI agents [1]. The topic generated a lot of 
interest in the room, and the poll showed support for continuing the discussion 
[2]. A quick summary of the problem space as presented in the session [3]: 1. 
Enabling clients to construct fine-grained authorization requests using: a. 
Goal state management, b. Discoverable domain-specific schemas for task and 
authorization definition, c. Task-in-goal evaluation requests 2. Establishing a 
negotiation pattern that allows a resource server to guide clients towards the 
required authorization The session also proposed forming a design team to 
explore this space [3]. Before IETF 127, we would like to hear from the WG: - 
Is this a direction the community is interested in pursuing? Replies on the 
list will help shape the discussion at IETF 127. [1] 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/126/materials/minutes-126-oauth-202607240700-00
 [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/polls-126-oauth-202607240900/ [3] 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/126/materials/slides-126-oauth-sessb-policy-language-binding-for-oauth-00
 Best regards,Dapeng Liu
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