Hi Yaron,

Thanks, that's the right split, and I'll stay on the second layer.

Your first layer is R2 in my write-up, and publishing the semantics
from the resource's own metadata is a better answer to it than the
refusal-driven one I had. It also makes my case sharper rather than
weaker. In your example the payments authority is bound to source
account, destination and amount, which is everything payments can
say about a charge. It has no item, because payments doesn't have
one, so a charge for the wrong product is within the Mission on
every field the metadata can express. That's the join I'm after,
and it has to happen somewhere other than at issuance.

One tie between the layers. The fields your metadata declares, type,
actions, constraints, effects, are the fields the post-execution
record should carry too. If the RS says up front what its authority
means, the record of what it did can be typed against the same
declaration, and the cross-RS comparison has something to compare on.

Ron


On Fri, 2 Oct 2026 at 14:54, Yaron ZEHAVI
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I agree with Alex’s concerns, and I think this highlights a metadata gap.
>
>
>
> Today an AS or RS can publish scopes_supported / 
> authorization_details_types_supported, but that tells only which strings are 
> accepted, not what authority this represents, in a way a PDP can evaluate.
>
>
>
> For mission-bound authorization, the PDP needs to evaluate whether the 
> requested authority aligns with the approved Mission. It cannot reliably do 
> that from opaque scope strings / RAR types, unless their authority semantics 
> shall be documented in a machine-readable way.
>
>
>
> The AS may be able to publish scope and RAR authority as it understands them, 
> but the stronger source should be the protected resource metadata. Since 
> scopes and RAR types are ultimately interpreted and enforced by the RS, it 
> should perhaps publish alongside scopes_supported / 
> authorization_details_types_supported, a machine-readable description of the 
> authority represented by each scope or RAR type, for example:
>
>
>
> {
>
>   "resource": "https://payments.example.com";,
>
>   "authorization_servers": [
>
>     "https://as.example.com";
>
>   ],
>
>   "scopes_supported": [
>
>     "payments.read",
>
>     "payments.prepare",
>
>     "payments.execute"
>
>   ],
>
>   "scope_authority": {
>
>     "payments.read": {
>
>       "description": "Read payment status and history.",
>
>       "authority": [
>
>         {
>
>           "type": "payment",
>
>           "actions": ["read"],
>
>           "constraints": {
>
>             "account": "subject-owned"
>
>           },
>
>           "effects": ["read"],
>
>           "risk": "low"
>
>         }
>
>       ],
>
>       "rank": 10
>
>     },
>
>     "payments.prepare": {
>
>       "description": "Create a pending payment instruction but do not execute 
> it.",
>
>       "authority": [
>
>         {
>
>           "type": "payment",
>
>           "actions": ["create_pending"],
>
>           "constraints": {
>
>             "source_account": "subject-owned",
>
>             "destination": "mission-bound",
>
>             "amount": "mission-bound"
>
>           },
>
>           "effects": ["state_change"],
>
>           "risk": "medium"
>
>         }
>
>       ],
>
>       "rank": 20
>
>     },
>
>     "payments.execute": {
>
>       "description": "Execute a payment instruction.",
>
>       "authority": [
>
>         {
>
>           "type": "payment",
>
>           "actions": ["execute"],
>
>           "constraints": {
>
>             "source_account": "subject-owned",
>
>             "destination": "mission-bound",
>
>             "amount": "mission-bound"
>
>           },
>
>           "effects": [
>
>             "external_transfer",
>
>             "irreversible_or_hard_to_reverse"
>
>           ],
>
>           "risk": "high"
>
>         }
>
>       ],
>
>       "rank": 30,
>
>       "requires_fresh_approval": true
>
>     }
>
>   },
>
>   "authorization_details_authority": {
>
>     "payment_initiation": {
>
>       "description": "Initiate or execute a payment.",
>
>       "authority": [
>
>         {
>
>           "type": "payment",
>
>           "actions": ["initiate"],
>
>           "constraints": {
>
>             "source_account": "subject-owned",
>
>             "destination": "request-bound",
>
>             "amount": "request-bound"
>
>           },
>
>           "effects": [
>
>             "external_transfer",
>
>             "irreversible_or_hard_to_reverse"
>
>           ],
>
>           "risk": "high"
>
>         }
>
>       ],
>
>       "rank": 30,
>
>       "requires_fresh_approval": true
>
>     },
>
>     "payment_status": {
>
>       "description": "Read payment status.",
>
>       "authority": [
>
>         {
>
>           "type": "payment",
>
>           "actions": ["read_status"],
>
>           "effects": ["read"],
>
>           "risk": "low"
>
>         }
>
>       ],
>
>       "rank": 10
>
>     }
>
>   }
>
> }
>
>
>
> The exact structure is debatable, the key point is authority would benefit 
> from structure beyond text.
>
> This would enable a mission-aware AS receiving a resource parameter to fetch 
> the RFC 9728 metadata, resolve the requested scope or RAR type into authority 
> semantics, and evaluate whether that authority is within the approved Mission.
>
>
>
> I would also add a least-privilege principle:
>
> If scopes and RAR types are published with authority semantics, the metadata 
> should help the AS determine whether a lower-authority scope or RAR type can 
> satisfy the Mission. A simple ordering from least to most authority may help, 
> though in practice this may need a partial order or explicit attenuation 
> relationships rather than one global rank.
>
>
>
> In other words, the PDP should not evaluate:
>
> Does Mission M permit scope S or RAR type T?
>
>
>
> It should evaluate:
>
> Does Mission M permit the authority that RS R declares scope S or RAR type T 
> represents, and is there a lower-authority alternative sufficient for this 
> Mission? And if so, attenuate.
>
>
>
> This is related to Ron’s cross-RS use case, but it is a narrower point.
>
> Ron’s example raises the later question of how to determine whether actions 
> across multiple RSs jointly satisfied a Mission.
>
> The point here is earlier in the flow: before issuance, the AS/PDP needs 
> authoritative semantics for the requested scope or RAR type in order to 
> evaluate mission alignment at all.
>
>
>
> I would therefore separate the two layers:
>
> Authority semantics metadata: used before issuance to decide whether 
> requested authority is within the Mission, and to support least-privilege 
> attenuation.
> Typed action/outcome evidence: used after execution to determine whether 
> performed actions jointly satisfied the Mission.
>
>
>
> I’m focusing on the first one: mission-bound issuance needs machine-readable 
> authority metadata.
>
>
>
> scopes_supported and authorization_details_types_supported advertise syntax, 
> not authority semantics.
>
>
>
> Yaron
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Classification: GENERAL
>
> From: Karl McGuinness <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2026 12:24 AM
> To: Thi Nguyen-Huu <[email protected]>
> Cc: 刘大鹏(鹏成) <[email protected]>; Lombardo, Jeff 
> <[email protected]>; Yaron ZEHAVI <[email protected]>; Ron 
> Bartor <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Iman Schrock 
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] 回复:Re: Call for interest: fine-grained authorization 
> in OAuth (IETF 126 follow-up)
>
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>
>
> Thanks, Thi. Agreed, these are two different questions, and the architecture 
> keeps them apart on purpose.
>
> Apologies, I used "left empty" as shorthand in my email, not the drafts. 
> Runtime enforcement lives in a companion, Mission-Bound Runtime Enforcement; 
> that split is the layering cost I mentioned to Alex. Under its runtime 
> contract, a consequential action executes only after a permit that evaluates 
> the action and its concrete parameters against the approved Mission, and the 
> permit is bound to those parameters. The Mission must be active within a 
> published staleness bound. Token possession alone never suffices, and every 
> consequential phase of a compound action gets its own decision. So the check 
> repeats at every action, not just at approval. The AuthZEN profile puts that 
> contract on the wire: it maps the decision inputs onto an AuthZEN evaluation 
> request, so a PEP and PDP interoperate on decisions alone.
>
> On who is acting, I'd split "right person, right device" into two parties:
>
> The agent. Agent identity says who is acting; the Mission says why its 
> authority exists. The runtime takes the authenticated client, the delegation 
> chain, attested instance context and registry state as actor inputs, and each 
> gates independently: a valid credential never overrides a revoked agent. 
> Sender-constrained credentials pin possession, and mediated custody can keep 
> the key out of the agent entirely.
> The human. For high-consequence actions, a deployment should require a fresh 
> action-bound approval, bound to the concrete parameters and resolved on a 
> surface the agent can't drive. It composes with RFC 9470 step-up, but step-up 
> alone doesn't approve an action. In the AuthZEN profile, a missing approval 
> is an approval_required denial; the PEP can request one through the AuthZEN 
> Access Request and Approval Profile and present it on a fresh evaluation, 
> where it is checked against the parameter digest as input, never as a bearer 
> grant. PSEA fits here: evidence that a present, verified human approved a 
> specific action is the kind of input that approval can carry. I agree with 
> you on frequency. The runtime says to reserve this for actions that warrant a 
> pause, because applied broadly it trains rubber-stamping.
>
> On a key that only works while the conditions hold: agreed, and the validity 
> model treats it as first-class. A short lifetime moves the check to 
> re-issuance, so each renewal is the policy re-check, and authority lapses 
> when the conditions fail, with no revocation message. The limits are that 
> something still has to observe the conditions at renewal, and worst-case 
> exposure equals the lifetime. That's why the high-consequence classes also 
> need an active freshness source.
>
> Thanks,
> Karl
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2026 at 2:46 PM Thi Nguyen-Huu <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
>
>
> If I understand correctly:
>
>
>
> Ron's example shows the problem clearly: the reservation is for product A, 
> but the charge is for product B. Nothing catches this, because the check 
> happens when the mission is approved, not when each action actually happens.
>
>
>
> Everyone in this thread, including Karl's design, is working on 
> authorization: was this the right thing to approve, did we understand the 
> request correctly, does each step still match what was approved. Karl's own 
> outline even has a step called "runtime enforcement," but it's left empty.
>
>
>
> If that's a fair read, there's a second question nobody's asking yet: is the 
> one doing this action right now still the one who was approved for it? That's 
> authentication, not authorization. Left alone, I'd guess "runtime 
> enforcement" becomes another authorization check — does this still match the 
> approved scope — not a check on who is actually there.
>
>
>
> Mohamad Yossif's PSEA draft already asks for this directly: proof that a real 
> human is present, and that the device is trustworthy, at the moment of the 
> action — not just proof the action was authorized. Maybe the design team 
> should treat this as its own topic, separate from goal-tracking and schema 
> discovery.
>
>
>
> One more thought, building on Mohamad's idea: proving someone is present 
> doesn't have to mean asking them to approve something again and again. A 
> mission record is a decision made once, then trusted later. Checking a 
> request against it only tells you the request matches what was approved — it 
> says nothing about what's happened since. A different approach: give the 
> agent a key that only works while the original conditions are still true — 
> right person, right device. If those conditions stop being true, the key 
> simply stops working. No revoke message needed, because there's nothing left 
> to revoke.
>
>
>
> This isn't a competing proposal to Karl's draft, or to Mohamad's. It fills in 
> the empty "runtime enforcement" step Karl already left open, and it's one way 
> to get what Mohamad is asking for, without needing to ask the human again 
> every time.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Thi Nguyen-Huu
>
> CEO
>
> winmagic.com
>
> 11-80 Galaxy Blvd.  |  Toronto, ON  |  M9W 4Y8  |  Canada
>
>
>
> From: 刘大鹏(鹏成) <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2026 5:11 PM
> To: Lombardo, Jeff <[email protected]>; Yaron ZEHAVI 
> <[email protected]>; Ron Bartor <[email protected]>; Karl 
> McGuinness <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]; Iman Schrock <[email protected]>
> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] 回复:Re: Call for interest: fine-grained authorization in 
> OAuth (IETF 126 follow-up)
>
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>
> Hi Jeff and all,
>
>
>
> I think whether the problem is real and whether there is enough interest in 
> the WG to work on it are separate from the question of which draft would be 
> the solution.
>
> That was the purpose of the call for interest, and I read the replies so far 
> as interest in the problem itself rather than in any particular solution.
>
>
>
> The discussion in this thread reaches a similar problem from several 
> independent directions. We reached it ourselves earlier: 
> draft-liu-agent-operation-authorization was presented at IETF 125.
>
> It investigates how to extend OAuth to express bounded work proposals from 
> agents and the mechanism for approving them. It shares much of the problem 
> and solution space discussed in this thread.
>
>
>
> I think the important question for the next steps and for the upcoming IETF 
> 127 meeting is whether the WG has enough support for the problem space and 
> enough interest to work on potential solutions.
>
> We do not need to limit ourselves to a specific draft at this stage. If we 
> agree on the problem, the WG or a design team can work on the solution 
> together.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dapeng
>
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> 发件人:Lombardo, Jeff <[email protected]>
>
> 发送时间:Thu Oct 1 23:47:20 2026
>
> 收件人:Yaron ZEHAVI <[email protected]>, Ron Bartor 
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>
> 抄送:[email protected] <[email protected]>, Iman Schrock <[email protected]>
>
> 主题:[OAUTH-WG] Re: Call for interest: fine-grained authorization in OAuth 
> (IETF 126 follow-up)
>
> Agreed with Yaron, I thought I provided the reference. It seems not.
>
> @Ron : The discussion is the right one, it just that I think we should have 
> it as part of the Mission Draft instead of yet another Draft.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Jean-François “Jeff” Lombardo |Amazon Web Services
>
>
> Principal Standards Specialist, Identity Services
> Montréal, Canada
>
>
>
> From: Yaron ZEHAVI <[email protected]>
> Sent: October 1, 2026 1:43 AM
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> Dear Ron,
>
>
>
> I think the goal enforcement you’re seeking may be found in@Karl McGuinness’s 
> draft:Mission-Bound Authorization for OAuth 2.0.
>
> It adds an AS-persisted durable higher level mission intent object, against 
> which authority requests are evaluated at token issuance time.
>
>
>
> It should empower the authorization server to evaluate if reservation A and 
> payment B are within the scope of the approved mission, apply policies to 
> validate they’re related and if so issue the tokens for the relevant audience 
> resource servers.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Yaron
>
>
>
>
>
> Classification: GENERAL
>
> From: Ron Bartor <[email protected]>
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> <[email protected]>
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> Hi Jeff, Yaron,
>
> Yaron, thanks for the correction, and good to meet you. I was citing the old 
> draft, my mistake. I'll cite draft-ietf-oauth-rar-metadata-remediation from 
> here on and stop saying "per-RS discovery", since that's not what it does. 
> The way I read it now, the metadata endpoint tells a client what the AS can 
> issue, and what a particular resource actually needs you find out by calling 
> it and getting the remediation back. I also take the gateway point. It relays 
> the call and relays the remediation and doesn't need to know anything about 
> the downstream types to do that.
>
> Jeff, agreed on the rest. Each RS says what it needs in RAR terms, the AS 
> normalizes, and if there's a broker in front it adds one more layer and 
> normalizes for its own client. That's the per-RS problem, and I think the 
> draft handles it well. My write-up says as much.
>
> What I'm trying to point at is one step above that, and a concrete case is 
> clearer than my first mail was. Say the goal is "buy product A". It turns 
> into a reservation at an inventory service and a charge at a payments service 
> (two RSs with their own vocabularies, and quite possibly two different ASs). 
> Each RS remediates in its own terms, each remediation gets normalized 
> correctly, each request gets authorized. Except the reservation is for A and 
> the charge is for B. Nothing in that path compares the two, and I don't think 
> anything in it can, because comparing them needs the goal, and the AS that 
> has authority over the payments service doesn't hold the goal. It holds a 
> grant for one service, not what the user was trying to do across several.
>
> Yaron's correction actually makes this a bit sharper. If there's no discovery 
> ahead of time, whoever holds the goal can't decompose it into typed parts up 
> front. It only learns what each RS needs when that RS refuses. So the 
> question "is this remediation still within the goal" has to be asked on every 
> remediation as it comes back, and then once more across all of them at the 
> end. The gateway relays those without reading them, which is the right thing 
> for a gateway. But somebody still has to read them against the goal, and 
> that's the party I'd like the design team to name, whether it ends up being 
> the client, the AS, the broker, or each RS for its own slice. If the answer 
> is "the broker, when there is one", fine, that's an answer, but I'd rather it 
> was said out loud, because it means the goal, and whatever evidence is needed 
> to judge against it, lives at the intermediary.
>
> Jeff, I think your token exchange idea fits here. If an exchange can hand 
> back a RAR remediation, the broker gets a typed remediation at token time, in 
> the RS's own vocabulary, without having to be refused by the RS first. For 
> the per-RS half of this across a broker hop that's probably the cleanest 
> carrier, and I'll put it in the write-up next to ID-JAG.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Sept 2026 at 08:18, Yaron ZEHAVI 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> @Lombardo, Jeff thanks for the shout out.
>
> @Ron Bartor, pleased to meet you 
>
>
>
> One comment, OAuth 2.0 RAR Metadata and Error Remediation does not offer 
> per-RS metadata discovery.
>
> This idea was explored in earlier drafts:
>
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-zehavi-oauth-rar-metadata-03.html#name-oauth-20-protected-resource
>
>
>
> And removed following feedback from WG members.
>
> The idea was add to RFC 9728 RS metadata:
>
>
>
>     "authorization_details_types_required": {
>
>         "oneOf": ["payment_initiation", "payment_approval",
>
>                   "beneficiary_designation"]
>
>     }
>
>
>
> With Boolean expressions allOf, and, or.
>
> This was deemed not very helpful as:
>
> Different resources have different requirements (but in MCP the resource is 
> not expressed on the http path)
> Lots of logic which in the end doesn’t tell the client exactly which RAR 
> types to request.
>
>
>
> Then the next idea was include the Boolean logic in the WWW-Authenticate 
> header. Opted instead to return the actionable RAR object to remediate the 
> failure.
>
>
>
> That being said, I think the task of RS-Gateways was made simpler.
>
> They don’t need to have foreknowledge to combine downstream RS metadata.
>
>
>
> Instead, client makes a request, a failing downstream RS may return the 
> remediation payload. Gateway relays the calls without requiring additional 
> metadata.
>
>
>
> Yaron
>
>
>
>
>
> Classification: GENERAL
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> Schrock <[email protected]>; Lombardo, Jeff 
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> Hi Ron,
>
> Speaking under the supervision of Yaron. I am not sure I follow the multi-RS 
> decomposition problem you try to point at here.
>
>
>
> draft-zehavi-oauth-rar-metadata now draft-ietf-oauth-rar-metadata-remediation 
> [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-rar-metadata-remediation/] 
> allows each RS to express the RAR-based mediated response along what the AS 
> that has authority can speak in terms of RAR schema.
>
>
>
> It means that it is up to each AS to normalize the mediated response, If 
> brokered through an API Gateway, this is just adding another layer and it is 
> now up to the Gateway / Broker to normalize it for its client.
>
>
>
> As ID-JAG supports RAR, there could be an extension to Token Exchange to 
> return a RAR remediation to ease this path.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> Jean-François “Jeff” Lombardo |Amazon Web Services
>
>
> Principal Standards Specialist, Identity Services
> Montréal, Canada
>
>
>
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> Hi Dapeng, all,
>
>
>
> I support continuing this direction and would like to contribute to the 
> design team.
>
>
>
> I wasn't in the room at 126, so apologies if this was covered, but I'd like 
> to put one scenario on the table for the "goal state management" and 
> "discoverable schema" pillars. I operate an enterprise API gateway that 
> fronts MCP and agent traffic. A single agent request routinely fans out to 
> several downstream resource servers, and each of those RSs owns its own 
> authorization semantics: its own notion of what a task is, what the 
> constraining attributes are, and how a request is scoped. Those semantics are 
> not shared across services, and in some cases cannot be. A concrete example 
> is an RS that was integrated from a separate business unit; its authorization 
> model reflects its own history and is materially different from the rest of 
> our services, and harmonizing it is neither quick nor, for some of its 
> consumers, desirable.
>
>
>
> In that setting, per-RS schema discovery (as in 
> draft-zehavi-oauth-rar-metadata) solves the local problem but not the 
> cross-RS one: the goal has to be carried across trust domains that are 
> mutually opaque, and something has to decide whether each downstream task is 
> still within the goal without any RS seeing the others' vocabulary. The 
> slides put "task in goal" evaluation out of scope, which I understand, but I 
> think the design team should at least be explicit about where that evaluation 
> lives in a multi-RS decomposition (client, AS, gateway/intermediary, or each 
> RS independently) and what the goal-state representation needs to look like 
> so that it remains meaningful to an RS that only understands its own schema.
>
>
>
> I'd be glad to write this up as a concrete use case, and I think it fits 
> naturally with the RS-to-client signaling work already in the WG 
> (txn-challenge, client-challenge, RAR-metadata) rather than requiring new 
> machinery.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Bar-Tor
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 3:13 PM Iman Schrock 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dapeng,
>
> I support continuing this work. One boundary I would like the design team to 
> test: a goal-level authorization can help a client negotiate what an RS 
> requires, but it is not approval of the eventual exact action. A changed 
> payment destination after negotiation, or a lost response after provider 
> entry, needs its own decision and recovery rule.
>
> We have published AEB and an open vector pack for that boundary. I would be 
> glad to bring a small cross-system case to the design team and see where it 
> belongs alongside existing OAuth work.
>
> Best,
> Iman
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:19:52 +0800, "刘大鹏(鹏成)" 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hello all, During IETF 126 we had a discussion on how OAuth can support 
> fine-grained authorization for AI agents [1]. The topic generated a lot of 
> interest in the room, and the poll showed support for continuing the 
> discussion [2]. A quick summary of the problem space as presented in the 
> session [3]: 1. Enabling clients to construct fine-grained authorization 
> requests using: a. Goal state management, b. Discoverable domain-specific 
> schemas for task and authorization definition, c. Task-in-goal evaluation 
> requests 2. Establishing a negotiation pattern that allows a resource server 
> to guide clients towards the required authorization The session also proposed 
> forming a design team to explore this space [3]. Before IETF 127, we would 
> like to hear from the WG: - Is this a direction the community is interested 
> in pursuing? Replies on the list will help shape the discussion at IETF 127. 
> [1]https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/126/materials/minutes-126-oauth-202607240700-00
>  [2]https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/polls-126-oauth-202607240900/ [3] 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/126/materials/slides-126-oauth-sessb-policy-language-binding-for-oauth-00
>  Best regards,Dapeng Liu
>
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