katanya china sekarang2 ini mirip us sebelum great depression. sebelum 1929, us adalah world's greatest exporter, maka ketika depresi datang us yg paling parah. apalagi waktu itu action dari herbert hoover lamban. sekarang china juga the world's greatest exporter. kalau dunia resesi maka china yg kena hit parah. makanya china buru2 keluarin stimulus domestik $500 bio.
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Elaine Sui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Elaine tidak janji. Never said that. As long they can manage their workforce > effectively, there should be no problem. Can they do that? I think > they can.But if they can't fix that, you're all doomed. > > Is there anyone here who went to the mainland recently? Did you see empty > warehouses? factories? please share with us. > > Elaine > > On 11/25/08, Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ini kali "bomb" yg dijanjikan Elaine thn depan? > > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > >> http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/081125/business_us_financial.html?.v=2 > >> > >> *Reuters* > >> China growth seen slowing; Citi boosts stocks > >> Tuesday November 25, 12:58 am ET > >> By Alan Wheatley > >> > >> BEIJING (Reuters) - China's growth could well slow to its weakest pace in > >> almost two decades next year, the World Bank said, the latest grim prognosis > >> for a global economy buckling despite the concerted efforts of policymakers. > >> > >> What started more than a year ago as a meltdown in the U.S. market for > >> high-risk mortgages has engulfed the world, freezing access to credit, > >> sparking bank collapses and requiring the financial bailout of entire > >> countries. > >> > >> Qantas Airways (ASX:QAN.AX <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=qan.ax> - News<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=qan.ax>), > >> motorcycle maker Honda Motor (Tokyo:7267.T - News<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=7267.t>) > >> and camera company Canon (Tokyo:7751.T - News<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=7751.t>) > >> added their voices to a chorus of firms warning of the effects of the > >> slowdown. > >> > >> But the U.S. government's weekend rescue of No.2 bank Citigroup Inc (NYSE: > >> C <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=c> - News<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=c>) > >> provided some temporary respite for battered equity markets, sending Asian > >> shares up 3 percent on Tuesday. > >> > >> A 20 billion pound plan to kickstart the British economy announced on > >> Monday and hopes for an aggressive stimulus package from the incoming > >> administration in Washington also provided some relief. > >> > >> U.S. President-elect Barack Obama said his newly appointed economic team > >> would act "swiftly and boldly" to fight the downturn that has sent the > >> world's largest economy into its worst tailspin in decades. > >> > >> "These extraordinary stresses on our financial system require > >> extraordinary policy responses," Obama said. > >> > >> China this month unveiled a 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) spending > >> package to help prop up its economy, but growth would still likely slow to > >> around 7.5 percent in 2009, from 9.4 percent this year, the World Bank said > >> in a report. > >> > >> That would be China's slowest growth since 1990 and below a pace of 8 > >> percent that conventional wisdom suggests is needed to absorb newscomers to > >> the workforce. > >> > >> But World Bank country director David Dollar said at the forecast rate of > >> growth, China would continue to create enough jobs and the labor market > >> would remain "pretty tight." > >> > >> More than half the forecast growth next year would come from Beijing's > >> stimulus package, while net exports, by contrast, would lop 1 percentage > >> point off growth as overseas demand for Chinese goods slows, the bank said. > >> > >> *DAMAGE CONTROL* > >> > >> Evidence continued to mount about the parlous state of the global economy > >> elsewhere too. > >> > >> In Japan, which suffered years of economically damaging deflation, the > >> cost of business services fell the most in five years in October. > >> > >> The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development is expected to > >> report recession in the United States, Japan and the euro zone would drag > >> emerging economies into a punishing slowdown as access to credit remains > >> tight and consumer confidence evaporates. > >> > >> U.S. gross domestic product data is likely to show economic activity > >> shrank by 0.5 percent in the third-quarter, more than initially estimated. > >> > >> A further deterioration is expected this quarter, putting the world's > >> largest economy in recession. > >> > >> "Economic conditions are rapidly changing in the current quarter, largely > >> as a result of the financial market dislocations and faltering confidence > >> among both businesses and consumers," said Joseph Lavorgna, chief U.S. > >> economist at Deutsche Bank Securities in New York. > >> > >> *DEMAND SLOWS* > >> > >> Companies have also been feeling the pinch. > >> > >> Australia's Qantas said demand had slowed, forcing it to cut its 2009 > >> profit forecast and further reduce capacity. > >> > >> "We are in unpredictable times and the international business market, in > >> particular, has slowed," Chief Executive Geoff Dixon said in a statement. > >> > >> The president of Japan's Canon warned in an interview with Reuters that > >> the global market for digital cameras may contract next year as consumer > >> demand shrinks. > >> > >> And Honda, the world's top motorcycle maker, said sales could stop growing > >> in 2009 as the credit crisis catches up with emerging markets. > >> > >> But relief that Citigroup would not be allowed to go the same way as > >> Lehman Brothers (Other OTC:LEHMQ.PK<http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=lehmq.pk>- > >> News <http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=lehmq.pk>) and Bear Stearns > >> encouraged investors to buy shares beaten to multi-year lows last week. > >> > >> Shares in Citigroup surged almost 60 percent on Monday after the U.S. > >> government moved to rescue it with a $20 billion capital injection and a > >> promise to shoulder hundreds of billions in risky assets. > >> > >> The U.S. S&P 500 (^SPX <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5espx> - News<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=_spx>) > >> jumped 6.5 percent, taking its gains since Friday to 13.2 percent -- its > >> biggest two-day rally since the days following the 1987 stock market crash. > >> > >> In Japan, the Nikkei average (Osaka:^N225<http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5en225>- > >> News <http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=_n225>) added more than 2 percent, > >> while MSCI's index of other Asia-Pacific stocks (^MIAPJ0000PUS<http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5emiapj0000pus>- > >> News <http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=_miapj0000pus>) added 3 percent, > >> having sunk to a five-year low last week. > >> > >> "Expectations for the new U.S. administration were a major factor while > >> the Citi bailout news also helped. Gestures shown by Obama and his team this > >> week were aggressive and gave assurance to investors," said Kim June-kie, a > >> market analyst at SK Securities in Seoul. > >> > >> (Reporting by Reuters bureaux; Writing by Lincoln Feast; Editing by Neil > >> Fullick) > >> > >> > >> 2008/11/24 antonius martono salim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>> YES I agree with EL, bail out is not even a solution. it's almost the > >>> same condition as Indonesia 1998 when many banks bankrupt and leaving toxic > >>> asset. which at the end the government sold the asset in ridiculously cheap > >>> price.(hope this will not happened in US) > >>> > >>> US still leaves its auto industry almost in bankruptcy, auto industry > >>> hold major employment in US. yet this industry must not be bail out. US auto > >>> is diminishing caused by nature (survival of the fittest) their efficiency > >>> cost is very low compare to JAPAN. the management is also spend money > >>> (private jet, luxurious company dinner, etc) > >>> > >>> i have one another option in this crisis, US economy will not as strong > >>> as ever even after recovery. the problem in the crisis, why its affecting > >>> other country is because US is the biggest demand for everybody. where the > >>> money goes? CHINA... > >>> logic behind it, since property in US boosted by lousy credits banking > >>> (and now government) is like giving money to their people in order to keep > >>> spending... and i think we all can guess where the housing products and > >>> others comes mostly from. CHINA > >>> > >>> US economy in the future has very limited growth if not declining, their > >>> economy mostly come from creative industry, there is no US products that > >>> prevail in the market unless their movie, software, war machines, etc. even > >>> intel and ipod is made in china. and creative industry is ELITE economic its > >>> didn't spread the wealth to people. > >>> > >>> if currently overheating growth of china comes from export, its time to > >>> rebalancing their balance sheet in the consumption part. 1,4trillion USD > >>> planned to spend by chinesse gov to boost world economic. i believe they > >>> will use it mostly on infrastructure in their own country (spreading the > >>> wealth, keeping economic growth, making their country the best haven for > >>> industry and business which in the long run will benefits for them), > >>> which will create demand on supporting country (INDONESIA as well). > >>> so we are now seeing a changing world of so called superpower nation. > >>> > >>> well its just my 2 cent... > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From:* Elaine Sui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > >>> *Sent:* Monday, 24 November, 2008 22:25:17 > >>> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: full ammo for tommorow > >>> > >>> *omg do you even know what bail out means? it's just another term of > >>> debt-swap. The toxic debts are still there, except now the US govt are the > >>> one whose paying for it, but the truth is the whole world are bailing out > >>> the sickening United States cuz they're just simply too big to fail. > >>> > >>> Crashing oil, lower rates, weak currencies vs USD. Where does all the > >>> money go? Obama's United States of America. The US MUST recover, and the > >>> rest will follow. Now you're saying I'm bearish? No, I am not, but I like to > >>> follow where the money goes, and obviously not to emerging markets. > >>> > >>> Asia has its own problem. The big red communists country is facing a > >>> meltdown. Now that'd be next year story so If I tell you here it'd be a > >>> spoiler... ^_^ > >>> > >>> Elaine** > >>> * > >>> 2008/11/24 Dean Earwicker <dean.earwicker@ gmail.com<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > > >>> > >>>> Masih bearish EL? Citi di bailout, is that supposed to be a good news > >>>> or not? btw mendingan kita semua sama-sama genjot bumi aja dulu deh, gmn? > >>>> biar semua hepi.Asal bumi dah sembuh sih yang lain gampang mo ngikut. > >>>> Biasanya sih gitu. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> DE > >>>> > >>>> 2008/11/24 Elaine Sui <elainesui83@ gmail.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>>> > >>>> *Frighten? I'was just saying 'Hello Art, you got my attention', why so > >>>>> afraid? It is their own right to lose money. **^_^* > >>>>> * > >>>>> Elaine** > >>>>> * > >>>>> 2008/11/24 SyIFA Fund <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *Don't frightened them up Elaine, just let it flow as usual. B#m# > >>>>>> has been set up. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SF FM > >>>>>> Where you can trust your fund > >>>>>> * > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Elaine Sui <elainesui83@ gmail.com<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> >* wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: Elaine Sui <elainesui83@ gmail.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: full ammo for tommorow > >>>>>> To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com <obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > >>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 4:40 PM > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *Just passing by. Who knows I can get some profit from this group > >>>>>> discussion. Maybe from you or someone else here.... ^_^ (Hey I'm just being > >>>>>> honest, don't stare at me like that, man.. geez..) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Elaine** > >>>>>> * > >>>>>> 2008/11/23 Petualang Saham <petualang.saham@ yahoo.com<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> He3x,akhirnya muncul juga dikau darling.. > >>>>>>> Apa kbr Elaine, kmn aza selama ini ga prnh keliatan. > >>>>>>> Kangen juga denganmu lama tak jumpa. > >>>>>>> Btw, ada tanda Alam apa ini El??.. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com<obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>, > >>>>>>> "Elaine Sui" <elainesui83@ ...> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > *I'm watching you. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Elaine** > >>>>>>> > * > >>>>>>> > 2008/11/23 artomoro9 <artomoro9@ .> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > masa sudah di kasi sasaran tembak sama begawan embah, gak di > >>>>>>> tembak > >>>>>>> > > juga. hehehe. lompat kodok ke 1210 sih mudah nih kayaknya. > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > kalo cuaca regional mendukung sih. semoga ga ada yg ganggu. > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > salam, > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > artomoro9 (jangan jual murah saham anda) > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > *Vic <victor_sperandeo@ ...>* wrote: > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > dow loncat 6,54% masa masih pakai taktik gerilya sih? > >>>>>>> > > blue sky scenario: > >>>>>>> > > beberapa hot stocks ar kanan. > >>>>>>> > > tapi ihsg cuma naik 5%. soalnya bumi tetep ar kiri hehehe. > >>>>>>> > > bumi is still the sum of all fear. > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com<obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> > >>>>>>> <obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups. com <http://40yahoogroups.com/>>, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > "fifi young" <fifiyoung03@> > >>>>>>> > > wrote: > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > Hayooo...... ...! > >>>>>>> > > > Jangan sampe ketinggalan kereta...! > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > Isi amunisi anda besok pagi fully loaded...! > >>>>>>> > > > Kita ikut geriliya dengan Mbah...! > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > Semoga sukses! > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > 2008/11/23 ruzli <indeksbei3000@> > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > Thanks atas daftarnya MBAH.. > >>>>>>> > > > > Untuk sektor Finance, mohon di cek lagi Price as of 28 Okt > >>>>>>> ??? > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > Thank U > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > 9|BBRI |Bank Rakyat Indonesi|FINA |BANK | 1.375| 51| 60| > >>>>>>> > > 1.525| > >>>>>>> > > > > 4.050| 2.525|130.803| 110| > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > 2008/11/22 jsx_consultant <jsx-consultant@> > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> To push HIGHER swing, embah add more AMMO for next Monday: > >>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > >> 50 stocks: http://www.invest20 00.net/ZZIDSUM2. 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