yup..... semua sama aja koq... no matter how deep you learn.. by the end is about return of money
ada 2 cara generate return of money di pasar modal 1. Deviden 2. Capital gain kalau saham dengan deviden biasanya saya cari lewat analisa fundamental kalau gak ada deviden.. terus terang saya malas hitung FA-nya... It's a joke.. terutama di pasar modal seperti BEI... Kalau capital gain... paling powerfull pakai TA Anyway,...yang sudah sempat belajar VSA... saya pingin tahu aja.. pendapat soal BBCA hari senin bagaimana ? On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, JsxTrader™ <jsxtra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hehehe.., apa pula itu vsa bernuansa non ta.., hmmm, mungkin yg anda maksud > adalah "psikology dibalik volume activity", atau "trading psikology", Ya? > > Btw pak, trust me, there is no Holy Grail in market.., hati-hati nanti anda > kecewa. Ya ok lah pak, nanti kita sambung lagi, good luck. > > JT > > Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: "adjies2000" <ad2...@cbn.net.id> > > Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:13:02 > To: <obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: VSA bernuasa non-TA ?(JT) > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "JsxTrader" <jsxtra...@...> wrote: > > > > Pak Adjies, saya masih ngga paham mengapa anda sepertinya > menempatkan VSA > > diluar technical analysis..., karena menurut saya Volume Analysis adalah > > bagian dari TA.., VSA adalah TRADING SYSTEM yg mengunakan pendekatan > Volume > > Analysis.., as a matter of fact VSA butuh data OHLC + Volume. > > > > Well, sebenernya ngga penting juga sih utk diperdebatkan, saya Cuma > > penasaran aja pingin tau pandangan anda. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Reply ; > > Dear JT, > > Mohon sedikit sabar, aku sedang "mencerna gizi" VSA ala Tom Williams, > disana aku "merasa" dapat menangkap VSA teknikal dan VSA non > teknikal....persisnya aku belum mau membuka, > > "When the market is being shaken-out on bad news, he > is in there buying. When the `herd' is buying and the news is good, he > is looking to sell." > > > ======Fakta ini yang sering terjadi dipasar, kita boleh menghibur > diri...bahwa pasar lagi anomali atau gila....tetapi itu "kelemahan > VSA-TA yang kita jadikan HOLY-Grail". Pasar dengan "tanpa ampun" > membuat account kita berdarah-darah. > > kita Trader terdidik/terlatih dengan analisa Fundamental atau teknikal > seringkali terjebak dengan "ego orang sekolahan"----please.....TA $ FA > itu ibarat Mobil..........tanpa bensin tidak akan jalan....pls TA & Fa > itu mahluk hidup........ terkadang diberi Oktan 90 juga laju (dalam > kondisi normal VSA TA works goods), tapi suatu saat TA & FA malah > dojan rumput(dalam pasar chaotic Bearish sekarang ini dibutuhkan VSA > Anti-Herd.) > > Thus, untuk market size seperti BEI.......ada VSA diluar hitungan > mathematik TA......dan it's work.-------Bagaimana , Pak Oentong ? > > NOte: Bersama teman sedang meng test Neural Network EA untuk > Forex............bulan2 tertentu sukses, bulan2 tertentu so-so...di > back-test ..di-optimasi....di Curce fitting.....hehehe,,,,Artificial > Intelligence masih bisa dikalahkan oleh : > > ""When the market is being shaken-out on bad news, he > is in there buying. When the `herd' is buying and the news is good, he > is looking to sell." > > > > salam > ============================================================== > "There are only two main principles at work in the stock market, which > will cause a market to turn. Both of these principles will arrive in > varying intensities producing larger or smaller moves: > 1. The `herd' will panic after observing substantial falls in a market > (usually on bad news) and will usually follow its instinct to sell. As > a trader who is aware of crowd psychology, you must ask > yourself, "Are the trading syndicates and market-makers prepared to > absorb the panic selling at these price levels?" If they are, then > this is a good sign that indicates market strength. > 2. After substantial rises, the `herd' will become annoyed at missing > the up-move, and will rush in and buy, usually on good news. This > includes traders who already have long positions, and want more. At > this stage, you need to ask yourself, "Are the trading syndicates > selling into the buying?" If so, then this is a severe sign of weakness. > Does this mean that the dice is always loaded against you when you > enter the market? Are you destinedalways to be manipulated? Well, yes > and no.A professional trader isolates himself from the `herd' and > becomes a predator rather than a victim. He understands and recognises > the principles that drive the markets and refuses to be misled by good > or bad news, tips, advice, brokers, or well-meaning friends. When the > market is being shaken-out on bad news, he > is in there buying. When the `herd' is buying and the news is good, he > is looking to sell. > Master the Markets 23 > > > You are entering a business that has attracted some of the sharpest > minds around. All you have to do is tojoin them. Trading with the > `strong holders' requires a means to determine the balance of supply > anddemand for an instrument, in terms of professional interest, or > lack of interest, in it. If you can buy when the professionals are > buying (accumulating or re-accumulating) and sell when the > professionals are selling > (distributing or re-distributing) and you do not try to buck the > system you are following, you can be as successful as anybody else can > in the market. Indeed, you stand the chance of being considerably more > successful than most! > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > + + > + + + + + > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. > + + + + + > + +Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > + + > + + + + + > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. > + + + + + > + +Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
