Saya ngak pegang BUMI dan bukan member KIPS. Saya Cuma bingung, kenapa kok musti ketemu segala, tanya apa yg bisa dibawa. Kenapa ngak dijelasin saja apa yang benar dan tidak, kan ybs bisa posting disini. Semakin muter2 dan ribet gini, semakin orang akan bertanya tanya! Gitu aja kok repot.
> -----Original Message----- > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aria Santoso > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:46 PM > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! > > > saya siap pertemukan anda dengan Pak Rully apa back up yang bisa anda > berikan? > apakah anda member KIPS BUMI? > > Vaulstrad wrote: > > > > > > OK GUA RALAT DECH BUAT RULLY.. GUE CUMAN KESEL AJA KENAPA DIA CEPET > > BGT BERUBAH PENDAPAT. > > > > MAAF BUAT PAK RULLY. BUT PLEASE GIVE US PROPER REASON. KARENA KITA > > BANYAK YG SUDAH BACK YOU UP FOR THAT REASON. NOW YOU TURN US DOWN. > > > > Dari article di bawah saja sudah jelas orang sudah judge kita jelek. > > > > "In > > > > 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional > markets in the > > > > Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, > judging by the > > > > market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources > > probe, > > > > nothing much has changed. > > > > > > > > However, despite the potential > > > > damage to the credibility of the bourse and the > regulator â€" not > > > > to mention the interests of small investors â€" it now appears > > > > that > > it’s a > > > > case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even > > Bumi’s > > > > minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the > > > > decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution > > > > Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). " > > > > you see?? "...suddenly saying they are happy with decision of the > > capital market..." > > > > Please ini sangat merusak kreabilitas bursa saham kita. Gimana Asing > > bisa stay lama disini dan beli di harga premium di banding dengan > > negara2 lain nya. > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>, "Thomas Frederick" > > <thomaszone_2...@...> wrote: > > > > > > Jangan berantem dehh... > > > > > > Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan > > dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. > > > > > > Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan.... > > > > > > YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. > > > > > > Minimum di publikasikan di OB. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "harrywijaya81" <harrywijay...@...> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 > > > To: <obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>, PHâ„¢ <vaulstrad@> wrote: > > > > PH ............... > > > kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar > aza ... w tau > > > , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah > > ... kekekkekeeeee ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di > > bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol ............. > > > > > > mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal > dgn rully > > > ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . > > > > > > KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . > > > > > > DASAR TOLOL ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di > > beli... ;( > > > > Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti > kena margin > > call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang > > tertentu.... > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional > markets in the > > > > Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, > judging by the > > > > market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources > > probe, > > > > nothing much has changed. > > > > > > > > However, despite the potential > > > > damage to the credibility of the bourse and the > regulator â€" not > > > > to mention the interests of small investors â€" it now appears > > > > that > > it’s a > > > > case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even > > Bumi’s > > > > minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the > > > > decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution > > > > Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). > > > > > > > > In January, the agency launched a probe into the > > > > Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms â€" PT Darma > Henwa, PT Fajar > > Bumi > > > > Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â€" for a total of Rp 6.18 > > trillion > > > > ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over > allegations > > that > > > > the acquisitions were overpriced. > > > > > > > > It was also alleged that the > > > > acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the > > > > approval of Bumi shareholders â€" which was never given > â€" Âand > > > > that some > > of the > > > > coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the > > > > Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding > > > > arrangements. > > > > > > > > However, > > > > after a seemingly interminable probe that included the > recruitment > > > > of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could > come up with > > > > was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi > > > > Sakti, > > was Rp > > > > 370 billion too high. > > > > > > > > But even here Bumi was given an easy way > > > > out â€" all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it > > down to a > > > > “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the > process of > > doing. > > > > > > > > The > > > > market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material > > > > transaction question, saying that since the transactions took > > > > place in different fiscal years the issue of > materiality did not > > > > arise â€" a view > > that many > > > > would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the > > > > transactions took place within little more than one > week. Dharma > > > > Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on > Jan. 5 and > > > > Fajar > > Bumi > > > > Sakti on Jan. 7. > > > > > > > > Capital market regulations designed to > > > > protect the interests of minority shareholders require > a company > > > > to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value > > > > exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 > percent of its > > > > market > > value. In > > > > this case, the combined value of the transactions would have > > > > required such approval had they not been completed in different > > > > years. > > > > > > > > On > > > > the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its > > > > investigation without coming up with any findings, > saying that the > > > > question is now irrelevant. > > > > > > > > Indra Safitri, an independent > > > > capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had > based its > > > > actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. > > > > > > > > “The > > > > other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are > > reasonable,†he > > > > said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in > > > > abandoning its affiliation probe. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, a representative > > > > of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We > > welcome the > > > > fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate > and seek a > > better > > > > price for Fajar Bumi.†> > > > > > > > Rully said that since the transactions > > > > were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to > > > > seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled > for this > > > > purpose this coming Friday. > > > > > > > > “We will not push Bapepam to continue the > investigation into the > > affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,†Rully said. > > > > > > > > But > > > > despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s > shareholders, > > doubts > > > > nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the > future of > > > > corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having > > > > aptly characterized the entire affair as “nothing more than a > > > > game.†> > > > > > > > > > > > Jakarta Globe > > > > > > > > > > > ._,___ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > + + > + + + + + > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. > + + + + + > + +Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
