Right on! Julia. And a wonderful New Year to everyone. Gill On Jan 2, 1:02 pm, "Julia Teale" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear H Schultz > > the internet has proved to be a quick, cheap and environmentally friendly > way to distribute information, gather opinion and form groups. The reason > the group on the net is a minority is because people like you seem to want a > more labour intensive and expensive method applied to our communications. I > seldom contribute to the discussions on the forum unless I feel I can make a > valid contribution to the particular discussion taking place. However, I > feel informed through browsing through the discussions and I do feel free to > contribute to them, should I need to. I have never felt discouraged by > others using the forum.What inclination do you have, if it is not to > participate in the forum? Do you want representatives to visit your home? > Would you like a personal letter delivered to the door? Would you have time > to read these letters and fill in the relevant questionaires and post them > at the post office or drop them at the library if you do not have the time > to do it on the internet? I seems you have also have not had time to attend > the public meetings advertised. If you are not happy with this forum, it is > beholden upon you to provide alternative suggestions, rather than merely > griping. > > While I agree that all Observatory residents deserve to be appraised of how > their money is spent by the Cid, I also feel it is equally beholden upon > them to provide positive input to those who have worked so hard to achieve > this status. All of those who are involved are ready and willing to engage > as it is they who really care about this community and its success. Please H > Schultz, lend us a hand. > > Warm regards and Happy New Year. > > Julia Teale----- Original Message ----- > From: "H Schultz" <[email protected]> > To: "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:51 PM > Subject: [obsnw] Re: Moderation at the Obs ID newsgroup = censorship?? > > My argument is that the onus is not on us to join a minority chat > group but that the Obs Improvement District needs to account to us for > its actions, its plans and its use of our money. The newsletter is > promotional rather than accounting to us. The answer is not to > increase the number of subscribers to this site but to ensure that the > entity using public money seeks to engage with everybody in the area, > not only those who have the time and inclination to participate in > this forum. This may be one means at their disposal but Clearly > doesn't reach more than a few score people. > > On Dec 18, 3:11 am, Jonathan Endersby <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi H > > > Thanks for your email. > > > I'm sure I speak for all the directors when I say that we welcome > > public participation and accountability. I'm not quite sure what > > exactly is "confirming your suspicion". I explained in my reply to > > Jason why the moderation is in place and clearly explained that the > > moderation is not censorship in any shape or form. If you have > > something to say about Obsid, positive or negative, your post will be > > let through. > > > You are right in saying that the current discussions involve a small > > number of people (110 members in the Obsid chat group), which is why > > we're actively trying to get more people to sign up and join in the > > discussion. I note that you're not subscribed. The Obsid.org.za > > website and the latest issue of Obs Life explain how to subscribe. > > (The short version is go tohttp://groups.google.com/group/obsid-chat > > and subscribe) > > > I look forward to your input on Obsid-chat. > > > Regards > > Jonathan Endersby. > > > 2009/12/18 H Schultz <[email protected]>: > > > > This confirms my concern about the Obs Improvement District - It needs > > > to involve greater numbers of people in discussion. At present the > > > web based discussions involve very few people. This is acceptable in > > > a voluntary group but not in an entity which uses our money. > > > > Communication needs to be informative to promote accountability to > > > those of us who are subject to the charges, whether we are part of the > > > organisation or not. > > > > On Dec 17, 2:54 pm, Jonathan Endersby <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hi All > > > >> (I'm posting this here as a response to the public message, but will > > >> post it to the Obsid group too) > > > >> As the person who set up the group and manages the security settings, > > >> I can safely tell you that the reason for setting the group to > > >> "moderate all" is twofold. > > > >> As Trevor says, the first priority is to make sure that posts are > > >> on-topic. It is of utmost importance that we don't irritate our > > >> subscribers with off topic posts as this will completely undermine the > > >> value of the group as people unsubscribe. > > > >> Secondly, although one would think that a less draconian approach, > > >> like setting it to only moderate new members, would work, the > > >> unfortunate reality is that this approach failed a few weeks ago with > > >> a rather, err, "colourful" email getting through from a member who had > > >> just joined that morning. > > > >> I can assure you that the moderators will not censor anything > > >> critical, or bar anyone from posting as long as their post is about > > >> the Obsid. > > > >> Ultimately this approach has been taken to improve the quality of the > > >> communications for all users. > > > >> Regards > > >> Jonathan Endersby. > > > >> 2009/12/17 Trevor Hughes <[email protected]>: > > > >> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Jason <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> I've just joined the above group & have seen that any posts have > > >> >> first > > >> >> to be approved by the moderators before being posted. I find this > > >> >> disquieting, & am wondering what the criteria are for a post's being > > >> >> approved on rejected? > > > >> > Pretty much topic basically. If you post to this group looking for a > > >> > lost dog your post will not be approved > > > >> >> Considering we are all paying for the ID, it seems logical we have > > >> >> ownership of it, & so should be able to discuss freely in an open > > >> >> forum. This whole initiative is supposed to be democratic, right? > > >> >> Why > > >> >> then can we not post freely according to our own conscience, as > > >> >> rate- > > >> >> paying residents? > > > >> > You may and you may criticize and discuss to your hearts content as > > >> > long as it is relevant to the cid. So if you post an email asking a > > >> > question that does not relate to the CID your post most likely will > > >> > be > > >> > denied. We do not have any hard and fast rules, I am not sure . > > > >> > There are 3 or 4 moderators and who ever gets to the message waiting > > >> > in moderation first deals with it. I guess if it were some very > > >> > sensitive decision to be made colloboration between moderators could > > >> > happen > > > >> > This also stops spam from arriving in the group. > > > >> > I hope this helps > > > >> > I see there is another message from you in the moderation queue > > >> > asking > > >> > the same question. I will leave it there as I don't think this thread > > >> > is covering it. Perhaps one of the other mods will think > > >> > differently - > > >> > note I have not deleted it just left it in the queue! > > > >> > I just checked the settings and even all the moderators are set for > > >> > moderation! Including myself. > > > >> > And for the other mods - perhaps moderation should only be set for > > >> > new > > >> > members or members can be moderated if they post off topic too often > > > >> > Trev > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> > Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> > [email protected] > > >> > For more options, visit this group > > >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en > > > >> -- > > >> Jonathan Endersby > > >> +27 82 4143129www.arbitraryuser.com-Hidequoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected] > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en > > > -- > > Jonathan Endersby > > +27 82 4143129www.arbitraryuser.com-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en > > __________ NOD32 4736 (20100101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
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