Hi Micha That SAPS during last night and this morning actually written up a fine is very surprising to me, though it is not nice to undergo such an experience, and feel for you, in that you were checked out this morning by SAPS. I am somewhat disappointed that your establishment was found as a 'Positive' case this morning, as opposed to all of the positively recurring transgressing establishments applying their trade in Observatory over the past two years or so. Usually, more than most complaints are seemingly simply reported back to 10111 by Woodstock SAPS shift members as a 'Negative' cases i.e. no fine or arrest was made as no such transgression, as was reported to SAPS via 10111, happened or was seen by SAPS themselves. 'Negative' seemingly due to either SAPS not checking thoroughly at the establishment, not checking at all possibly due a higher priority crime being attended to by SAPS, or simply not at all, or check too long after the complaint was made, or apply their personal discretion to the case of alcohol being consumed after the prescribed hour or noise being blatantly generated by an establishment. SAPS have often been pushed hard and long in having the poor statuesque of transgressing establishment remedied, and remain to be a task at hand against SAPS Woodstock while liquor licenced establishment transgressions continue to take place. Andrew's guidance is wise and your establishment not to transgress, is best to be pursued. Kind regards James
*James Cowley* *082 926 1220* *021 448 2824 (t&f)* Observatory Neighborhood Watch: Chairman On 28 July 2012 14:36, Andrew Fife <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Micha, > > They are trying to get it right. Unlike some of us there are still licence > holders that do not respect the conditions of the law. Customer services is > still lacking from the police. They have never got it right - maybe that > why the changed back to a force instead of a service ! > > Cheers > > *Andrew Fife* > Touch of Madness > > > > > On 28 July 2012 13:41, Michá Riedel - The Scrumpy Jack < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Andrew, yes unfortunately, if only they would be so strict all >> over and also in regards to other conditions within the licenses, will just >> have to set my hours back to 1am and be sure all is locked up by 2am! >> Thanks for the feedback again will definately take it up, really felt >> unnecessary for them to drag her to the police station instead of just >> writing the fine then and there! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, 28 July 2012 11:26:14 UTC+2, Michá Riedel - The Scrumpy Jack >> wrote: >> >>> So after a good night and great olympics on my way home at 2am... only >>> to be called at 3.50am that the Police was at my establishment arresting my >>> mangeress who has been working for five years by me! Reason for arrest for >>> "allowing people in the pub" mmm >>> >>> All lights are switched off... >>> all television sets are switched off... >>> door is locked... >>> the three on duty did their cleaning books etc... and light music was >>> playing in the background as we all do after a hard night shift during >>> cleaning... >>> Ten minutes before the police walked in, one of my barmen"s two friends >>> were let in a lady and a guy to walk home with him!... >>> >>> Then the police comes in... asking why we still open!!! As much as one >>> tries to tell them one is not open the more they dont want to hear it! And >>> YES Audio is recorded! >>> Yes my one barman had half a beer still after a hard nights work is well >>> deserved I think, and which was on me, all my staff got their one round >>> after work! >>> Trying to explain to the officer that he is an employee at Scrumpy >>> Jack as well and that the other two friends just walked in waiting for him >>> to finish off to walk home with him, they want none of it! >>> >>> They even tell the two friends who are waiting to get out on the street >>> (SO IT IS SAFER TO STAND OUTSIDE AND WAIT THAN INSIDE A LOCKED PLACE) and >>> thats not the end, ordering my barman to go out of the establishment as >>> well??? What happened to little bit of investigation hmmm like just >>> looking at the shift roster to see if he actually does work there? I mean >>> surely one has some rights!!! >>> >>> I ask myself.... really was this all worth the fuss and a fine of R 500 >>> to go on record! I can understand if the pub is packed with drunk patrons >>> and no effort was done to close up... but here an hour and half ago after >>> closing one gets nailed for this! >>> One makes the effort to put up posters informing patrons that 1:30 is >>> last rounds and that by 2:00 everyone needs to be out... yet not even that >>> gets looked at! >>> >>> Police does know that it takes staff to clean and get the place in order >>> well after closing time, and that friends drivers and taxis do wait inside >>> the place for them to finish up for SAFETY reasons and obviously to take >>> them home... A while ago even my other mangeress husband who was waiting >>> inside was given attitude!! >>> >>> Even after I got to the police station to explain to the officer he >>> still doesnt want anything of it, for goodness sakes what happened to >>> working together etc, im even told just let it happen again and you will >>> see what happens! no wonder one builds up a grudge! >>> >>> Is there no bigger crime to fight than taking a person in the van to the >>> woodstock police station, for something this ridiculous or pehaps I have it >>> wrong! >>> >> -- >> OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room >> ---------------------------------------------- >> 021-447-1066 072-063-1653 >> >> For all emergencies please dial 10111 >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> ONW: 082 081 0142, ONW email: [email protected] >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. 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