I agree with Stan's response. Melanie, the important thing about the patrols is that our streets are safer when they are more actively used by the community. It's not about playing at being police, and it's not intended to replace the police or Obsid, it's just about making sure that someone is out and about and the streets aren't empty. I've also been pleasantly surprised by how enjoyable it's been to get out, and to get to know the neighbours better.
I'd also love it if Obsid could just sort everything out, but I think you're being unrealistic about what can be achieved on the very small rates that we all pay them. We can disagree with some of Obsid's decisions - cameras vs patrollers, etc. - but it's not useful to say, "We pay them, they must sort it out". On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 8:37:34 AM UTC+2, Bruno Migliorini wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Thanks for your valuable input. Here's what I get from the discussions: > - Livelier neighbourhood is great: maybe we can try to creatively think, > based on examples from others, about how to get more people in the streets. > In the meantime, I find patrolling a good idea. However, I work and travel > most of the time and there's only so much time in a day that we can cover > with travelling. Already, our whatsapp group is very lively. > > - OBSID does a good job considering the mean they receive from our > neighbourhoods (calculated based on house values). > > Now... what if we increased their means? I mean horse boxes are nice, they > provide visibility and they work well... By how much would we have to > increase the rates to cover the whole of obs? Basically let OBSID provide > the prevention/visibility and interact with SAPS for the reaction. > > > > > > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 21:33:10 UTC+2, Stefan a écrit : >> >> Hello Melanie , >> >> it would be interesting how much it would have to increase it in order to >> make OBSID more effective ... perhaps that`s what`s necessary ? >> If I think about how much ADT costs per month without being effective >> like OBSID ... >> >> Stefan >> >> >> On 6/21/15 6:22 PM, Rosemary Robins wrote: >> >> OBSID has always had a clean audit. We are 2 people in our house - costs >> us approx. R1.60 per day each for all the benefits. Our refuse (once a >> week) costs nearly the same amount. I appreciate there are frustrations >> with OBSID but please be realistic. >> >> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:08 PM, bluebellsandroses <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> I agree totally with Bruno. Also, I don't understand why the current >>> levy is apparently not effective to give us more horse carts. What is >>> happening with the current money?! Every single household in ons pays via >>> rates. So how can there not be enough money? >>> Melanie >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Bruno Migliorini >>> Date:21/06/2015 10:17 AM (GMT+02:00) >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very >>> concerned >>> >>> Well then, let's change these ineffective and limiting regulations and >>> let's try to avoid being killed. One of these days, the bullet will come >>> out and it will be too late to react. We pay for security, if we are mugged >>> at gunpoint 2 times per week, sorry but it's a fail. >>> >>> >>> >>> Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 09:54:23 UTC+2, Rose007 a écrit : >>>> >>>> OBSID is bound to adhere to the regulations/laws governing improvement >>>> districts. They do not have the authority to charge whatever levy they >>>> deem suitable and their powers are limited. Infringement of any of the >>>> regulations could have dire consequences. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Bruno Migliorini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Every house in Obs pays the same amount every month for Improvement >>>>> district. Our side of Obs used to be very quiet and somehow reasonable in >>>>> regards with crimes (a few car break ins, mugging the tunnels under the >>>>> rails). In the past 6 months, things have gone wild over here: stolen >>>>> cars, >>>>> armed muggings, house break-ins, etc. Our wives and kids are not safe >>>>> anymore! This week only, two armed robberies occurred 20 meters from my >>>>> house, people got guns pointed at them, nearly same place, twice in a >>>>> week, >>>>> at 6pm! >>>>> >>>>> Since a year, we have hosted the horse box with security during 4 >>>>> weeks. *That is all* in regards with crime prevention in our zone. >>>>> And it worked perfectly well as all went quiet for 4 weeks. >>>>> >>>>> All we get is reactive actions... Wait to face the gun, pray to stay >>>>> alive, but don't worry OBSID will help you fill the paperwork! >>>>> >>>>> I sincerely think OBSID needs to have more power, more patrols, more >>>>> horse boxes, more contribution from the Citizen. In my own case, the past >>>>> six months did cost about 60000 ZAR of stolen goods and windows replaced. >>>>> Hence 10000 ZAR/month!!! 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