On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Alan Burlison <Alan.Burlison at sun.com>
wrote:
> ?Which approach do you wish us to take in future?
The OGB is a problem solver of last resort - we expect the various
sub-communities (like tonic, website,...) to take active roles in
identifying problems, suggesting and experimenting with solutions, and
deploying the ones that survive. The OGB only should step in when
the community itself is fubar'd; it is not the OGB's role to
micromanage and second guess the responsibilities that were delegated
to a community when it was chartered...
> "Then ask the OGB to step in, and give it their OK. ?We can then add you as
> a mod to the appropriate list."
Why does the OGB need to micromanage this aspect of your community?
IMO, JimG's response of "look at each case individually, apply common
sense and do the right thing" seems perfectly reasonable; if someone
disagrees with Jim's handling, and they can't work it out with Jim and
the rest of the tonic / website community leaders, then (and only
then...) they should bring the issue to the OGB for resolution.
> Can I take it from the above that you are now in favour of centralised list
> management, or is that still open for further discussion?
Fix the root problem and I predict that the whole "moderation and list
management issue" will move off of everyone's hot list:
Simon says:
Until membership of OpenSolaris is sufficient to allow any member
to post to any list, the alternatives are both unwanted.
Paraphrasing Alan:
all mail in the moderation queue falls into two categories:
mail from users who haven't subscribed that gets approved
and spam that gets rejected.
If mail from os.o users never ended up in the moderation trap, it
wouldn't need to be centrally moderated, list managers wouldn't need
to work so hard, users wouldn't be complaining about posts that never
got delivered, we would not need policies for how to expeditiously
handle user mail stuck in queues, etc etc etc...
Yes, it is easy to forge email to pass whitelists; nevertheless, I'd
rather deal with the resulting spam problem than keep this current
mess that prevents us from effectively communicating across our own
community.
-John
