clarification: meant Mac Pro, I still keep calling them all Power Macs On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Michael Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/os-x-market-share-statistics-1-in-5-macs-still-unsupported/ > > It looks like 10.4 is a vanishingly small userbase. My developer buddy > runs one of the earlier Intel PowerMacs that came with 10.4 and even he can > get up to 10.7 > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Ralph Versteegen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> .pkg might be a good option. However it is OS 10.5+ only, while we >> support 10.4 too (hopefully; I don't know whether anyone has ever tested >> it). However dropping support for 10.4 seems acceptable, since a veeeery >> tiny number of OSX Intel users will stubbornly remain on 10.4. I have seen >> websites with software like firefox compiled or backported to those old >> versions, but I think it is mainly for PPC users. >> >> However the improvement of .pkg over .zip seems so small that it's not >> worth the trouble. Though I don't know what Installer can do; I don't think >> I've ever used it. >> >> The Mac app store is still very new, I would think there are very few Mac >> users out there who don't know what a .dmg file is. Is the app store >> actually that popular? I thought that there were extra limitations on >> programs in the app store, similar to iOS or the Windows Store, so that not >> all software can be distributed through it. >> >> >> On 8 July 2015 at 04:22, James Paige <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I was concerned that .zip would not work because it discards the >>> executable bit... however, I just did a test, and it looks like I can >>> export a game as a Mac .app on Windows, zip it up, and copy it over to my >>> Mac, and it extracts and runs just fine. Apparently unzipping on Mac just >>> sets the executable bit on every dang file, so the .app still works just >>> fine. >>> >>> So maybe just zipping the .app up is the simplest thing we should do. >>> >>> My focusing in .dmg is because that is what I have come to expect for >>> Mac apps, but that is based on experience that is many years old now. These >>> days Mac users expect their apps to be in the Mac app store, so I imagine >>> that the average Mac user hardly ever sees .dmg files anyway. >>> >>> --- >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ralph Versteegen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I had actually forgotten about the compression, so I've been looking >>>> into it. >>>> >>>> I was surprised to see on the man page for mkisofs that it can create >>>> HFS (not HFS+) file system images, because those are used by Apple for CDs. >>>> The .dmg file format is called UDIF, which is a wrapper around a file >>>> system image which may be HFS/HFS+, FAT, and so on. The HFS+ file system >>>> itself seems to be fairly well supported in Linux. Unfortunately the >>>> compression of an .dmg is added by UDIF, not HFS (though HFS also supports >>>> compression). And UDIF is undocumented and there are almost no 3rd party >>>> tools for dealing with it (I only saw ones for reading, not writing); the >>>> best I could find was http://newosxbook.com/DMG.html >>>> >>>> I don't think .dmg.zip would make much sense (Why not just use .zip?) >>>> even if it were true that OSX magically accepts .isos. >>>> >>>> On 8 July 2015 at 03:17, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> MacOS X doesn't primarily rely on file extensions. Renaming an ISO >>>>> to DMG doesn't do anything. You could rename it .jpg and it'll still be an >>>>> ISO disk image. >>>>> >>>>> You pretty much have to use hdiutil on a Mac to make DMGs. You would >>>>> have better luck making a .pkg (really, the gzipped variant) that installs >>>>> to /Applications. I believe all you need to make a .pkg is gzip, cpio, and >>>>> an XML plist creator. All of which work on every platform. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:26 AM -0700, "James Paige" < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Annd. I remembered why that wouldn't work. No compression. I feel >>>>> like TMC discovered all of this years ago, and I am just now remember what >>>>> he said and thinking that I am figuring it out myself ;P >>>>> >>>>> Would a zipped dmg be more or less confusing than a tar.gz? >>>>> >>>>> Also, is anybody even getting these mailing list posts? I never get >>>>> copies of my own, so I don't even know if the list server is working right >>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Paige <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just discovered/remembered something really nifty. >>>>> >>>>> So the reason we went with .tar.gz on Mac was because we couldn't >>>>> figure out how to create .dmg files. >>>>> >>>>> .dmg files are normally Disk images formatted as HSF+ and although >>>>> tools for formatting as HSF+ exist on Windows and Linux, we could not find >>>>> any good simple ones that we could redistribute. >>>>> >>>>> Turns out that the important thing about a .dmg file is that it is a >>>>> disk image. HFS+ happens to be the preffered format, but any format >>>>> supported by Macs should work. >>>>> >>>>> In particular, .iso works. >>>>> >>>>> I tried building a .iso image, renamed it to .dmg, and my Mac was >>>>> able to open it smoothly with no problems at all. >>>>> >>>>> Tools to generate .iso images are far more ubiquitous, so maybe we >>>>> can find one that we can redistribute and we can use it to build .dmg >>>>> files >>>>> directly from the Export Games menu :) >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ohrrpgce mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ohrrpgce mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ohrrpgce mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ohrrpgce mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org >> >> >
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