Hi Milan,
On 30/08/2012 08:46, Milan Jurik wrote:
Hi,
it is not good you resign. And it is not good to see OI going nowhere.
Here I had long e-mail about how stupid is to think OI is threat to
Nexenta (Oracle way of thinking), how irrelevant is what Bryan Cantrill
says, how stupid is to give up developer desktops etc. But nobody would
read it and it is not important now.
I'm sorry for resigning, but I was sacrificing considerable amounts of
personal time and energy to the project. It couldn't continue indefinitely.
I was hoping that we could set up a framework for others to contribute
and carry things forward, but there was just too much baggage to deal
with. OmniOS's approach of starting from scratch was the easy way out,
something we couldn't do.
I'd say illumos-userland was the final straw. It took the wind out my
sails, especially with the "working set" farce where Bayard absorbed
everyone's changesets then disappeared. The whole illumos-userland thing
kind of pissed everyone off
More important is - what is immediate impact of your resignation? Is it
end of OI?
It is not the end of OI, as long as others want OI to continue and can,
for example, help Jon Tibble with his efforts, something I may do if I
can find time.
But I was unable to muster the time/energy to lead the project, so
continuing as lead was leading the project no-where. I had to resign to
make way for someone else - I hope someone will step forward, or that
the project will continue without a leader.
From my point currently Jon is moving /dev slowly forward - is he
willing to continue in it with help from few remaining people?
I hope so.
oi-experimental is dead end, so is illumos-userland. Good thing. It was
big switch breaking things and wasting resources.
Well, it wasn't that big a switch - Solaris 11 has userland-gate, and it
was just that. Andrzej Szeszo has the latest JDS built along with the
latest userland-gate running on his desktop PC at home. He managed to
get it all built and working. It was unfortunate he was unable/willing
to upstream his work. It was possible, though, Andrzej's work proves
this. We just needed talented, committed developers with time and energy.
oi-build is slowly taking attention as much better way in our current
situation.
There is question about prestable, if it should stay as prestable or we
can accept it as moving dev (as it is now in reality). Would automated
release every 2 weeks help? Yes, some releases can be broken but we have
BEs and people will be forced to fix things or leave.
I don't know. Jon's reservation about releasing his prestable builds as
stable was that there was still loads of CVEs in it.
Automated releases would improve things but there would be a lot to
automate.
I feel oi-build as a framework is the future, but we tried to jump to it
too quickly. An incremental approach based around Jon Tibble's work,
where packages are moved one by one from SFE/JDS/etc into oi-build would
fix that.
There are however some big challenges. We no longer have the in-house
skills to rebuild JDS. With your work on SFE and expertise with
spec-files, perhaps that is something you could help with?
Currently I fixed the most of things around OI SFE so I can move my
attention back to illumos and OI after my vacation the next week. With
small change, from July I switched my position in company and my spare
time is very limited. But long winter nights are comming :-)
I think OI would greatly benefit from your input Milan and I'm pleased
you're considering helping it.
Best regards
from mad man who is using OI as his primary desktop at home
You're not alone :-)
Alasdair
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