Laurent -- Thanks! After giving it more consideration, I agree with the volume as Editions approach. Thanks for the Edition name suggestion, that sounds like a workable work-around.
I agree that adding a volume field to the Edition record would be a good long-term solution, rather than more complex proposals. This could be a field included in the user-selectable sort order that I suggested in regards to translations. Thanks again for your helpful suggestions. -- Hi-storian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurent Brun" <[email protected]> To: "Open Library -- technical discussion" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:16:17 PM Subject: Re: [ol-tech] Fwd: How to handle Volumes within an Edition?? Personally, given how Openlibrary has been coded, I find it more logical and practical to treat each volume of a multi-volume book as a separate "edition", for example: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL15706213W/Ovide_moralis%C3%A9 https://openlibrary.org/works/OL6847382W/Alexandre_le_Grand_dans_la_litt%C3%A9rature_fran%C3%A7aise_du_moyen_%C3%A2ge In such cases, I enter the volume number in the "edition-edition_name" field (a.k.a. "Does this edition have a specific name?"). Of course, if you have several editions of a multi-volume book, that would mean something like "2nd ed., vol. 1", "2nd ed., vol 2" etc. in the "edition-name" field. However, if the OL developers could just add a "volume" field to editions, that would probably be a more elegant solution without being too time-consuming for them... On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Hi-storian <[email protected]> wrote: > My situation involves a single work with 9 volumes, bound as 11. Each of > the volumes has different subtitles, different authors, and printed in > different years. Some of the volumes have Tables of Contents that should be > included in the record, so that's not available as a work-around. > > I'm well acquainted with standard library practice and have never been fond > of it. It may be adequate for some works, but terribly useless for other > works. Just because past practice dealt with it poorly need not limit us in > future practice. Standard practice never included book covers or Tables of > Contents, but these are valuable additions. > > I understand the current database structure doesn't deal with this real-life > issue, and changes to the database are a long-range planning thing. In the > interim, what are your thoughts on volumes as Works or as Editions?? > > ________________________________ > From: "Karen Coyle" <[email protected]> > To: "Open Library -- technical discussion" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:29:04 PM > Subject: Re: [ol-tech] Fwd: How to handle Volumes within an Edition?? > > Standard library practices for monographs in multiple volumes is to > simply give a volume statement, like "2v.", in the place of the > pagination. That's all that is needed. If, however, the volumes have > been scanned, then, as Tom mentions, for scanned works, there is a > separate IA entry for each volume, since each volume is a separate > scanned file. > > One possible solution is to use the table of contents area. Since > Markdown is being used for editing, a full URI is coded as actionable. > So if you put: > > * Volume 1 | http://archive.org/details/..... > * Volume 2 | http://archive.org/details/..... > > It should create clickable links to each scanned volume. > > kc > > On 2/20/16 8:45 AM, Tom Morris wrote: >> There isn't really a good solution to this currently. OpenLibrary is >> kind of caught between existing library cataloging practice only >> catalogs editions, not works, and keeps all volumes together on a single >> edition record; and the needs of Internet Archive to have individual >> volumes recorded so that they match up with the scanning. >> >> Supporting multi-volume editions would require additional engineering >> work as well as a change in current practices. >> >> It's worth noting that a similar situation exists currently with >> translations. Translated editions are all collected together in the same >> work with original language editions. This is, I believe, the correct >> way to do it, but because there's no easy way to filter by language, the >> pile of editions can be quite a jumble for popular works. >> >> Tom >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Hi-storian <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> See my email, below for details. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Open Library Support" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Thursday, February 18, 2016 12:15:00 PM >> *Subject: *Re: Support case *Other* >> >> >> >> Hi and thank you for contacting us, >> >> Yep, there is no non-mess way to do this at this time and I'm actually >> not even sure if there's a standard way to do it for the way our >> records >> are currently imported. You're welcome to asdk on the ol-tech list to >> see if someone there has a little more insight into the meta-aspects >> than I do. Details are on this page (the archives link is wrong but >> otherwise the page is accurate) >> >> https://openlibrary.org/community >> >> Thanks for using openlibrary.org <http://openlibrary.org> and >> archive.org <http://archive.org> >> >> The Open Library Team/jw >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> On 2/18/16 11:54 AM, [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Description: >> > >> > I understand the nature and relation between Work records and >> Editions records, but I have a question that doesn't seem to be >> answered in your FAQ anywhere. >> > >> > How do you enter an Edition that contains multiple volumes. In >> theory, you should be able to create multiple volume records under >> the Edition record, just as you create multiple Edition records >> under a Work record. >> > >> > I'm assuming the work around is to enter each separate volume as >> a new "Edition" ... but that's not quite right. It would create a >> mess that would quickly be confusing. After all, the 1st Edition >> may have 2 volumes, the 2nd Edition 4 volumes, the 3rd edition 6 >> volumes .... Imagine how confusing if the volumes are all jumbled up >> without being clearly set together within an Edition. >> > >> > Is there a way to do this correctly, of is this a feature "in the >> works" for a later release? What should I do in the meantime so >> records don't have to be re-entered? >> > >> > Thanks! Hi-storian >> > >> > A new support case has been filed by Hi-storian >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>. >> > >> > Topic: Other >> > URL: https://openlibrary.org >> > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:44.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Firefox/44.0 >> > OL-username: Hi-storian >> > >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-tech mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-tech mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] >> > > -- > Karen Coyle > [email protected] http://kcoyle.net > m: 1-510-435-8234 > skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 > _______________________________________________ > Ol-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > Ol-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] _______________________________________________ Ol-tech mailing list [email protected] http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to [email protected]
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