Hi Tom, Your view of citations as content may perhaps be refined to "metadata of content", whereas OL records mostly record "metadata of the product". Mostly, not only, as there are work descriptions, excerpts, classifications and subject terms. I tend to see OpenLibrary as an online library, although it is more a library catalogue than a place to get books. I think a catalogue becomes more useful if direct relationships among works can be recorded and shown. (You didn't say that you think citations should not be recorded, by the way.) The FRBR relationships "Critique of" and "Parodied as" are also in the Citation Ontology and I agree that these relationships are types of citations.
I agree that the list of FRBR relationships may be simplified, but the designers may have had good reason to keep it like this. OL could introduce a few relationship types at a time and see how that works out; I don't think the complete list will ever be supported. Ben On 19 November 2012 00:05, Tom Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > I like the idea of recording relationships, but I think of citations as > being content as opposed to metadata which seems to be OpenLibrary's main > focus. > > The FRBR relationships seem like they could be simplified. Freebase uses a > single adapted_work/adapted_from property pair without having separate > properties for each source/target type pairing like FRBR seems to have. > That still allows you to link the film adapted from the musical adapted from > the play adapted from the novel. Similar simplifications could probably be > applied to some of the other FRBR relationships. > > Tom > > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Karen Coyle <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ben, I don't know of any that have implemented the FRBR relationships >> *yet*. That leaves the arena wide open, and being the first to do this >> would be very interesting! >> >> kc >> >> On 11/18/12 2:23 PM, Ben Companjen wrote: >> > Of course, FRBR! I could have thought of that (and CiTO) :) >> > So the thinking of relationships we might need has already been done >> > and "only" the thinking of how to record these relationships and >> > designing and implementing changes to the interface are left. >> > >> > Are there other catalogues that show any of the FRBR work relationships? >> > >> > On 18 November 2012 17:21, Karen Coyle <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> FRBR provides a set of relationships between works and it would be good >> >> to have links that are meaningful, not just "link." "Cites" isn't one >> >> of >> >> them, but there are citation vocabularies. If there were more lists in >> >> OL those could be mined for statistical relationships. Librarything is >> >> able to do this so they can give a small set of the most related books. >> >> >> >> - my "cheat sheet" of FRBR relationships: >> >> http://kcoyle.net/rda/group1relsby.html >> >> it shouldn't be too hard to make a selection of a small number of >> >> these for OL use >> >> - the CITO vocabulary: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://speroni.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/lode/req.py?req=http:/purl.org/spar/cito >> >> again, a small selection might be useful >> >> >> >> kc >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/12 5:22 AM, Ben Companjen wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> Although I know the developers are mostly working on non-OL projects, >> >>> I would like to share a (possibly very old) idea for enhancement of >> >>> Open Library: direct links from one work to another. >> >>> >> >>> It is not an original idea, as most digital libraries for scientific >> >>> literature have links from articles to cited/referenced articles or >> >>> book chapters. For me as a student it has become a natural way of >> >>> browsing the "library". >> >>> Today I wanted to look up the Thesaurus of English words and phrases >> >>> by Peter Mark Roget and found not only the multiple works (which >> >>> should most likely be one work) by Roget, but also "Roget's thesaurus >> >>> ..." by other authors - edited versions, perhaps reviews or manuals, >> >>> etc. >> >>> >> >>> I think being able to say "works A and B are related, because A is (a >> >>> review of | a manual to | partly based on | ...) B" would be a great >> >>> addition to Open Library as a catalog. (And I didn't see this idea in >> >>> the list of issues on GitHub.) >> >>> >> >>> Ben >> >>> >> >>> P.S. Yes, you could add a hyperlink to the work, but if you used the >> >>> label to express the relationship between works, it would only make >> >>> sense to human users. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Ol-tech mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Karen Coyle >> >> [email protected] http://kcoyle.net >> >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> >> skype: kcoylenet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ol-tech mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> >> [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ol-tech mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> > [email protected] >> > >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> [email protected] http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-tech mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ol-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Ol-tech mailing list [email protected] http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to [email protected]
