Kevin, Hmmmm. I didn't get that post. That could have been when my server was loosing E-mails or when Chebucto was messing up.
Milton Schick 1964 442 Cutlass [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Everything new is old, or, nothing new under the sun. Here's a copy of what I sent to the list 12/15/06 : > From the 12/07/06 issue of Hemmings eWeekly email newsletter, under the > Legislation heading: > 'The debate over the appropriate uses of automobiles isn't new. In fact, > what might be the most famous of all words on the subject were uttered in > Congress over 130 years ago... > A new source of power...called gasoline has been produced by a Boston > engineer. Instead of burning the fuel under a boiler, it is exploded > inside the cylinder of an engine. The dangers are obvious. Stores of > gasoline in the hands of people interested primarily in profit would > constitute a fire and explosive hazard of the first rank. Horseless > carriages propelled by gasoline might attain speeds of 14 or even 20 > miles per hour. The menace to our people of vehicles of this type > hurtling through our streets and along our roads and poisoning the > atmosphere would call for prompt legislative action even if the military > and economic implications were not so overwhelming... [T]he cost of > producing [gasoline] is far beyond the financial capacity of private > industry... In addition, the development of this new power may displace > the use of horses, which would wreck our agriculture. Horseless Carriage > Committee, U. S. Congressional Record, c. 1875 > - By David B. Traver Adolphus' > > Sounds kind of like the current debate over Hydrogen... krw On Dec 21, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Infinite Space Systems, Inc. wrote: > Kevin, > > Okay, did I miss something? What was the urban legend quoted from the > bogus > "Congressional Horseless Carriage Commission" that Hemmings published in > the > previous issue? > > Milton Schick > 1964 442 Cutlass > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:21 AM > Subject: RE: Everything new is old, or, nothing new under the sun. > > >> Looks like Hemmings (and through them, me) got taken by an urban legend: >> http://www.hemmings.com/newsletter/newsletter.html? >> volume=2&issue=27&id=831&refer=news&emlid=123347#831 >> >> "Horseless Carriage Committee report an urban myth >> Last week, we quoted the congressional Horseless Carriage Committee, >> supposedly of 1875. Were we a little skeptical of the source? Sure, and >> we did scour the Congressional Record of the time for a reference, and >> couldn't find it, but then, the Record is a little spotty. At worst, we >> thought that maybe it came from later on, you know, when the internal >> combustion engine actually became common, say from 1895 or so. >> >> Reader Chuck Picciuti was also looking for the source of this, and we >> suggested that the only way to verify or disprove this account would be >> to dive into the published volumes of the Record at his local Federal >> Depository. Chuck actually had the time and inclination to go to the >> Public Services Division of the Law Library of Congress, and this is >> what >> they told him: >> >> This is, in fact, an urban legend. We checked Committees in the U.S. >> Congress, published by CQ Press and verified that there never was a >> Horseless Carriage Committee. We also checked the Congressional >> Record >> Index (indexing debate in congress), the Congressional Hearings Index >> and >> the U.S. Serial Set, which indexes congressional reports and documents, >> and found no references. Indeed, the terms gasoline or horseless >> carriage do not even appear in these sources for this time period. We >> also checked these sources using the terms automobile and petroleum >> and again found no references for this time period. >> >> "We also believe this statement is anachronistic. In 1876, Nicholas >> Otto >> of Germany invented and built the first gas motor engine and then built >> it into a motorcycle. Subsequently, in 1885, Karl Benz designed and >> built >> the first practical automobile to be powered by an internal combustion >> engine. The first gasoline-powered automobile built in the United >> States >> in 1891 by John Lampert was a three- wheeled motor vehicle. The first >> U.S. >> patent for a gasoline-powered automobile was issued in 1895, and the >> first U.S. company to manufacture automobiles was founded in 1896 by >> the >> Duryea brothers. For additional information, click here, or click here >> for a brief history of gasoline." >> >> We hope this sets the record straight on this oft-quoted, totally >> fabricated bit of history. >> - By David Traver Adolphus" >> >> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow... >> >> Kevin Wright >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX http:// >> www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html >> >> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: http://www.wankel.net/ >> ~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html >> >> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! >> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :) >> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be >> parts if someone doesn't buy it! >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: >> 12/20/2006 3:54 PM >> >> > > On digest mode, so I'm a little slow... Kevin Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX http:// www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: http://www.wankel.net/ ~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :) ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be parts if someone doesn't buy it! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 12/20/2006 3:54 PM
