2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[email protected]>: > Really??? > > I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How > does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member > (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding > source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous > precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as > individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to > community members for travel advances... >
For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that: *Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in **democratic decision making.* Regards Laura V makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an > additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more > mired within the opaque operations of our parent org. > > -walter > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply. >> >> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San >> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan. >> >> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a >> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards. >> >> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such >> matters. >> >> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this >> motion. >> >> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs >> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend >> GSOC summit. >> >> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel >> advance? >> >> Dont Google pay for the travels? >> >> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such comments >> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening >> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with >> the US embassy. >> >> >> >> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan >> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot. >> >> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life >> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly >> incredible things in his life.* >> >> Thanks for this note. >> >> >> >> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him >> before voting. >> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain". >> >> Lionel. >> >> >> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <[email protected]>: >> >>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for >>> Samson Goddy. >>> Tabitha >>> >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, >>>> so please respond ASAP. >>>> >>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative >>>> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel >>>> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including >>>> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel >>>> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in >>>> travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our >>>> other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would >>>> be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will >>>> be negligible. >>>> >>>> regards. >>>> >>>> -walter >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM >>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance >>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?) >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <[email protected]>, Samson Goddy < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section >>>> below. >>>> >>>> Samson, >>>> >>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday: >>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to [email protected] >>>> for >>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the >>>> embassy to >>>> > accept appointment for interview. >>>> > >>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to >>>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied. >>>> >>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this: >>>> >>>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY >>>> ASKS >>>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT >>>> 2017). The totals are as follows: >>>> >>>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU) >>>> >>>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be >>>> wired. >>>> wire fees >>>> >>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, >>>> we >>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday. >>>> >>>> >>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial >>>> effort for >>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as >>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy. >>>> >>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong >>>> totals >>>> above, please correct them. >>>> >>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this >>>> request, >>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are >>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bradley M. Kuhn >>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy >>>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment >>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Walter Bender >>>> Sugar Labs >>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SLOBs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SLOBs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >> >> > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > <http://www.sugarlabs.org> > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Laura V. * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org* “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” ~ Laura Victoria Happy Learning! #LearningByDoing #Projects4good #IDesignATSugarLabs #WeCanDoBetter
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