Dear Avtar, Having glanced through your two papers, I appreciate aspects of your analysis… for example, I too have reasons for rejecting the Big Bang interpretation of the universe. However, you do accept many of relativity theory’s premises, which I do not. Relativity theory (SGR – special/general relativity) is a dead weight, in my opinion, that restrains further development in the sciences. We need to clarify once and for all, whether there is just cause to continue including references to SGR in our conversations about consciousness. Here are my reasons for getting rid of SGR completely (taken from an outline that I posted in another forum):
THE PROBLEM WITH SPECIAL AND GENERAL RELATIVITY THEORY (SGR) Most of us, at one time or another, have probably come across some reference to the inconsistencies between relativity theory (SGR) and quantum mechanics (QM). The second of SGR's two postulates is that nothing can go faster than the speed of light (c). But this conflicts with QM, where some manner of information transfer has been experimentally shown to be, for all practical intents and purposes, instantaneous (though not in the context of communication – no communication theorem applies). The time to confront these inconsistencies is now long overdue. Either QM or SGR or both are wrong. Only one of them, at most, can be right. I am putting my money on QM, and I do so for the following reasons: 1) Experimental evidence consistent with QM is compelling and repeatable (some silly or annoying interpretations of said results notwithstanding). Bell's inequality and entanglement have been proven experimentally time and time again, with good, smoking-gun evidence that is difficult to refute; 2) SGR has no smoking-gun evidence... the evidence that they produce is open to concerns about confirmation bias, and brings us back to Binswanger (2013) and Horton (2015), and the question of peer-review favoritism, and interpretations by "experts" with an agenda. Most importantly, there is no GPS smoking-gun evidence, GPS technology does NOT factor in relativity corrections, but relies on basic feedback control algorithms and Laplace transforms - Barry Springer (2013). This GPS urban legend is trotted out at every opportunity like a prize bull at the Spring Fair, but it is complete nonsense, debunked as comprehensively as the wage-gap myth has been. But it's the only "smoking gun" evidence that they ever had... and it had me until I started digging around; 3) So we've dispensed with the GPS smoking gun. What other evidence do they cite? Galactic red-shift as evidence for the Big Bang? The tired-light hypothesis provides an alternative explanation. And the more they say things, like, "but every scientist knows that tired light is nonsense and not taken seriously any more", the more I am reminded of Fake News Media and CNN. Nope, the tired light hypothesis is as real as red sunsets (photons losing energy tend to the red, in accordance with E=hf. And light scattering by the particles or molecules of interstellar space can also contribute to redshift, as what happens at sunset, when photons have more atmosphere to transit). And no, the Tolman brightness test and other tests are not inconsistent with tired light. We need to ask what part a broken science might be playing in confabulating a miasma of Big Bang Baloney; 4) Mercury's perihelion shift. Again, no smoking-gun evidence here. Experimental evidence is not conclusive, because said relativity correction contributes of the order, only, of about 7.5% of the total. Given our concerns about Fake News Culture and the peer-review process (Binswanger 2013 and Horton 2015), we need to be concerned whether this small fraction was arrived at impartially, or in the spirit of confirmation bias. Did they factor everything else in? What about the asteroid belt? Or Dark Matter for that matter? 5) SGR is based on an assumption about the speed of light, and that's all it is... an assumption. They've constructed self-consistent mathematical proofs around that assumption in order to arrive at what I personally conclude is a major category error... the conflation of time as a dimension of space-time; 6) Several sources are available online that debunk relativity theory. It is pointless enumerating them here, as the arguments are detailed and complex, and takes us beyond topic. But for those who are interested, googling [relativity theory debunked] provides a good starting point. Here is one compelling refutation of SGR found through just such a search: http://www.nacgeo.com/nacsite/press/1march2016.asp ; 7) And finally, an important question that does not seem to entered into mainstream physics discourse. Is it possible that SGR's second postulate, the constancy of c, actually relates to a quantum-mechanical phenomenon rather than a relativistic one? If so, then the central axiom of special relativity, with its relevance to general relativity, no longer holds. This is a question that I am researching at the moment, and it relates to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and the notion of "quantum tunneling"... that a particle's motion through space is not the simple, linear vector as commonly understood in Newtonian physics. SGR's inconsistencies with QM are non-trivial. That nonlocal effects are instantaneous regardless of distance is a huge problem for SGR. That in itself might be enough to kill this SGR monstrosity once and for all, yet the SGR dogma continues to thrive. Like whack-a-mole, it repeatedly keeps wedging its weakly supported assertions into physics discourse, as if "nothing, not even information, can go faster than light" were an established axiom. No sooner do quantum physicists come up with an intriguing conjecture that deserves to be explored, than up it pops again... the constancy of c postulate, as if SGR were an established scientific fact. This weakly supported conjecture is a ball-and-chain that needs to be settled once and for all. This will free up discourse in QM to explore further developments without being hampered by weakly supported objections. BIBLIOGRAPHY Binswanger, M. (2013, December 17). Excellence by nonsense: The competition for publications in modern science. Springer Link: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-00026-8_3/fulltext.html Horton, R. (2015, April 11). Offline: What is medicine's 5 sigma? The Lancet, 385 (9976), 1380: http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(15)60696-1.pdf Springer, Barry (2013). Does GPS Navitation Rely Upon Einstein's Relativity? Proceedings of the NPA: http://worldnpa.org/does-the-gps-system-rely-upon-einsteins-relativity/ Xinhang Shen (2016). Challenge to the special theory of relativity. Physics Essays 29, 1 (2016): http://www.nacgeo.com/nacsite/press/1march2016.asp Regards, sj From: 'Asingh2384' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. [mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 3:53 AM To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: what do you believe consciousness is or does? Dear Kashyap and All: My Universal Relativity model (URM) is all inclusive – bottom up and top down. From bottom up it provides field equations for spontaneous mass-energy conversion among particles/classical masses and from top/down it conserves the total mass-energy of the universe. The solution describes universe as a continuum of mass-energy states from V=0 (R=0) to V=C (R up to infinity). These states are independent of time in an eternal universe (no big bang). The model successfully predicts the observed empirical universe without the inconsistencies and paradoxes of the standard big bang model. It also eliminates singularities of General Relativity and explains inner workings of QM in relativistic terms including collapse of the wave function, non-locality, quantum gravity, anti-gravity (expansion), dark-energy (Vacuum), and dark matter without the need for ridiculous parallel multi-verses or super-luminous inflation. At smaller V, matter and gravity dominate. As V increases to the order of C, matter converts to kinetic energy. At V=C, matter/distance/time fully dilate to zero leading to the purely dynamic Zero-point state wherein physicality ends into an absolute un-manifested state of pure kinetic consciousness representing the implicate order of the cosmic law (the law of conservation of existence). I am enclosing two papers – 1. Summary of the URM 2. Full paper describing the model and validations against empirical data. Best Regards Avtar Singh, Sc.D. Alumni, MIT Author of "The Hidden Factor - An Approach for Resolving Paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality" -----Original Message----- From: Vasavada, Kashyap V <vasav...@iupui.edu> To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga <Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 1:55 pm Subject: RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: what do you believe consciousness is or does? Dear Avtar, Do you have a top-down mathematical model in which quantum fields and particles come out from consciousness? Best Regards. Kashyap From: 'Asingh2384' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. [mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com <mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com?> ] Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 11:33 AM To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: what do you believe consciousness is or does? Matter, mind, and consciousness represent a continuum in a living universe. Please refer to the following links: The Unlikely F <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-unlikely-fate-of-two-universes_us_5947dcdee4b024b7e0df4de0> ate of Two Universes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-unlikely-fate-of-two-universes_us_5947dcdee4b024b7e0df4de0 The Last Paradox: Does the Universe Have A Mind? http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59511dbee4b0f078efd98365 Best Regards Avtar Singh, Sc.D. Alumni, MIT Author of "The Hidden Factor - An Approach for Resolving Paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality" -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga <Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 2:36 am Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: what do you believe consciousness is or does? On 06 Jul 2017, at 22:18, Joseph McCard wrote: Is matter independent of consciousness. I think that in the Vedanta of Sankara, like in the theology of numbers, or like in the work of Plotinus, matter is a creation of the soul (Atman). The body is a biological or arithmetical illusion. In the theology of Numbers, the physical laws should be derived from the logic of machine or number (self)-observability. So in such theories, matter depends on consciousness. The propositional logic of the observable have been partially derived, and up to now fits well with the facts and with the reports of 1p experience (local particular consciousness). I can explain more, but at some point, this explanation relies on results in mathematical logic which are not well known by non-logicians. This explanation here is coherent with the non-collapse interpretation of quantum mechanics. It generalize Drawin, somehow, as the laws of physics evolve in some logical space, but its interest relies mainly in the fact that it does not eliminate the first person view, nor the quale et consciousness, unlike some purely materialist approach (Churchland, Dennett, etc.). 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