[Winona Online Democracy] Hello Glen, Good points. I have one question though. Did the ballots that went out before the election have the holes listed? I've heard both yes and no. Does anyone else know? (In some ways, I don't want to become lost in the minutia and soap operas of one county's questionable ballot. I hope we don't take our eyes off of the prize and forget about the larger issues of the Electoral College, free and open exchanges of diverse ideas, and the best form of government needed to ensure the best form of democracy......) Dwayne =============== > >Let's remember some facts: > >1. Every voter in Palm Beach county received a sample ballot in the mail >the week prior to the vote. > >2. Every voter in Florida could have asked for and been given up to three >additional ballots if they had thought there was any problem with the one >they had completed. This raises a question: are any of the 19,000 spoiled >ballots we hear about in Palm Beach county just the first, second or third >ballot which was replaced by a new one? If so, how many? > >3. The Gore campaign (or the Democrat party) hired a telemarketing firm to >call 5,000 Democrat voters in Palm Beach county to suggest that there was a >problem with the ballot during the evening of Nov 7th before the polls were >closed. It is not possible to know, but how many of these people had no >problem with their ballot until this suggestion was made? > >4. It is not possible to prepare ANY document in such a way that NO ONE will >be confused. There will always be some who do not get the message, no >matter how well it is presented. Over 432,000 votes were cast in the >presidential election in Palm Beach county. 19,000 is a pretty small >proportion of 432,000. > >5. The only truly fair way to do a hand recount in Florida is to recount the >entire state. If the Gore campaign had been interested in fair results they >would have requested a hand recount in all counties. Perhaps the Bush >campaign should have done so in the counties that the Gore campaign avoided. > > >Glen Schumann >Winona, MN > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >H: 507.454.3056 W: 507.453.3567 W FAX: 507.454.1440 > >Visit my Family Home Page: <http://www.hbci.com/~gschuman/home.htm> > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cherisa >Templeton >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:02 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Winona] Gene Thiele's Points > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > >Bob, > >I disagree. This election belongs to the people, not the political parties. > It's all well and good for the "parties" to approve a ballot, but if the >people voting find them confusing or illegal then something needs to be >done. I see the parties pushing ahead, trying to have their will be done. >But quite frankly, I think the voters will needs to be done in Florida. If >that means hand counting to find out exactly the voters intent, so be it. >We can wait a few weeks to make sure that what the voters intended is what >happens. > >I do not however think that a revote is possible. Too many voters could >change their votes, and that would not be fair, nor accurate as to what the >votes were November 7. > >Cherisa > > >>From: bobsebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [Winona] Gene Thiele's Points >>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:22:00 -0800 >> >>[Winona Online Democracy] >> >>Dean...just one part of your argument falls short...democratic stalwart >>that i am, both parties approved the ballot before the election...if it >>was good enough then, it is good enough now...bob sebo >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > [Winona Online Democracy] >> > >> > The ballot used in Palm Beach County, and perhaps elsewhere in Florida, >>was >> > apparently in violation of Florida's own election laws. >> > The law states the the "box" to mark shall be placed "to the right of >>the >> > candidate's >> > name". (See Minneapolis Star Tribune, Monday, 13 November.) >> > The "butterfly" ballot had some "boxes" to the left and some to the >>right of >> > candidates. >> > So, why should we respect a ballot that was a violation of the election >>laws >> > of the >> > very state (Florida) where it was employed? >> > Dean Lanz >> > ---------------- >> > This message was posted to the Winona Online Democracy Project. >> > Please visit http://onlinedemocracy.winona.org to subscribe or >>unsubscribe. >> > Please sign all messages posted to this list with your actual name. >> > Posting of commercial solicitations is not allowed on this list. >> > Report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>---------------- >>This message was posted to the Winona Online Democracy Project. >>Please visit http://onlinedemocracy.winona.org to subscribe or unsubscribe. >>Please sign all messages posted to this list with your actual name. >>Posting of commercial solicitations is not allowed on this list. >>Report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > >---------------- >This message was posted to the Winona Online Democracy Project. >Please visit http://onlinedemocracy.winona.org to subscribe or unsubscribe. >Please sign all messages posted to this list with your actual name. >Posting of commercial solicitations is not allowed on this list. >Report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Glen Schumann.vcf 3 (TEXT/ttxt) (0001F838) > ---------------- This message was posted to the Winona Online Democracy Project. 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