[Winona Online Democracy] > >Hello Glen and Others, > >Here is a quick response to your question about the possible difficulty of >voting in new ways. The response is one that someone else made in response >to the same issue: > >============= > >You get a ballot with all the candidates and you rank them 1 2 3. Votes are >transferred from the bottom up until someone gets over 50%. No political >boundaries are changed. > >In short, it is very easy to understand, is geographically unthreatening, >and clearly more fair and representative. > >Tallying is more complex than our present system, but it would be done by >computers or improved machines. What the voter sees when he votes is >simple. Just as most of us can drive a car, but have no idea how to >overhaul it. > >========================= > >Some quick points to add. The mess in Florida is about the tiny details of >ballots. There seem to be a hundred ways to improve and standardize those >goofy ballots they use in Florida and some other places. > >What these other issues talk about are different, they are about deeper >democratic ideals and improvements. > >People's votes are "counted" in elections but their "voices" are not heard >if there is no corresponding reflection of their wishes in the positions of >raw political power. > >You are right to point out that "winning" is much more than having more >votes than someone else. At the same time, I fear that you underestimate >the problems of our current system. > >Dwayne Voegeli > >===================== > >>From: "Glen & Diane Schumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "Winona Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: [Winona] Different Ways To Vote >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:51:37 -0600 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >>Importance: Normal >>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Precedence: bulk >> >>Content-Type: text/plain >>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by kranzmedia.com id >>IAA08363 >> >>Given the difficulty some people in Florida have with what seems to me to be >>a not very complicated ballot, what confidence can we have that people will >>understand how to vote in a more complex system? >> >>In addition, why is it that some people seem to feel that if the person they >>happened to vote for does not win their vote has somehow not been heard? Is >>victory is the only acceptable alternative? >> >>Glen Schumann >>Winona, MN >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>H: 507.454.3056 W: 507.453.3567 W FAX: 507.454.1440 >> >>Visit my Family Home Page: <http://www.hbci.com/~gschuman/home.htm> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Brooks >>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:36 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [Winona] Differant Ways To Vote >> >> >>[Winona Online Democracy] >> >>The fact that Dwayne Voegeli and I brought up the same topic >>independently at about the same time but from different sources would >>seem to say this idea of a different way of voting is NOT just some >>new weird science. Plurality voting is not a good way to make >>important decisions. It is a fast way and a simple way. But given >>what we are going through I suggest what at first appears to be simple >>and fast is more complex and slow in the long run. I would rather >>have a different way of voting that allowed me to feel more like my >>voice is heard than our current system allows. >> >><(���)> >> >>---------------- >>This message was posted to the Winona Online Democracy Project. >>Please visit http://onlinedemocracy.winona.org to subscribe or unsubscribe. >>Please sign all messages posted to this list with your actual name. >>Posting of commercial solicitations is not allowed on this list. >>Report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Glen Schumann.vcf 1 (TEXT/ttxt) (000071BC) > > > >********************************************************** > >Dwayne and Denine Voegeli > >Social Studies and Science Teachers >Winona Senior High School >901 W. Gilmore Ave. >Winona, MN 55987 USA > >Home Voice Mail: (507) 453-9012 >School telephone number: (507) 454-9509 > >E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Personal Web Page: http://www.jarviscomputer.com/voegeli > >High School Web Site: http://wshs.luminet.net/ > >A Web Site About the City of Winona: http://winonanet.com/home.html > > > >"Education is not preparation for life, education is life itself." > > -- John Dewey > >*********************************************************** > ---------------- This message was posted to the Winona Online Democracy Project. Please visit http://onlinedemocracy.winona.org to subscribe or unsubscribe. Please sign all messages posted to this list with your actual name. Posting of commercial solicitations is not allowed on this list. Report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
